MD-10's Going Away Sooner
12-09-2019, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
There are loopholes big enough for a 777 to fly through in our scope section, if management wanted to. Also, I’d personally like to see language added to preclude feeders from operating any jet. To me, there is a big difference between a 737 and a 175. Both should be flown by FedEx pilots if FedEx ever bought either type.
E170 has a MTOW of 75,000lbs.
I wouldn’t specify just jets either. Include all propulsion types.
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12-09-2019, 08:23 AM
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MD-10's Going Away Sooner
Originally Posted by BlueMoon
Wouldn’t they even under the existing contract?
E170 has a MTOW of 75,000lbs.
I wouldn’t specify just jets either. Include all propulsion types.
E170 has a MTOW of 75,000lbs.
I wouldn’t specify just jets either. Include all propulsion types.
I was just responding to him that there is a big difference between a 737 and a 175. Wouldn’t want either being outsourced. In our case, they couldn’t.
The 60k pound limitation already applies to all propulsion types. What I’m saying is to also include jets below 60k lbs.
12-09-2019, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
There are loopholes big enough for a 777 to fly through in our scope section, if management wanted to. Also, I’d personally like to see language added to preclude feeders from operating any jet. To me, there is a big difference between a 737 and a 175. Both should be flown by FedEx pilots if FedEx ever bought either type.
For instance. One of my best buds is ANC based for Alaska and frequently flies their freighters. He mentioned to me he was astonished our scope allowed them dedicating entire Alaska operated 737s (the whole jet) to moving FedEx cans. We certainly have the authority to operate in Alaska.
This next ones a bit less solid but I was departing HNL a few weeks ago and Aloha air cargo was waiting for us to vacate the spot on our ramp to park a 737 there. Maybe they’re just using the parking spot, but I know they carry our freight as well. Would be interesting to look into, especially considering that UPS is now flying to LIH.
12-09-2019, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosefire
Bingo.
For instance. One of my best buds is ANC based for Alaska and frequently flies their freighters. He mentioned to me he was astonished our scope allowed them dedicating entire Alaska operated 737s (the whole jet) to moving FedEx cans. We certainly have the authority to operate in Alaska.
This next ones a bit less solid but I was departing HNL a few weeks ago and Aloha air cargo was waiting for us to vacate the spot on our ramp to park a 737 there. Maybe they’re just using the parking spot, but I know they carry our freight as well. Would be interesting to look into, especially considering that UPS is now flying to LIH.
For instance. One of my best buds is ANC based for Alaska and frequently flies their freighters. He mentioned to me he was astonished our scope allowed them dedicating entire Alaska operated 737s (the whole jet) to moving FedEx cans. We certainly have the authority to operate in Alaska.
This next ones a bit less solid but I was departing HNL a few weeks ago and Aloha air cargo was waiting for us to vacate the spot on our ramp to park a 737 there. Maybe they’re just using the parking spot, but I know they carry our freight as well. Would be interesting to look into, especially considering that UPS is now flying to LIH.
12-10-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by abides
Alaska? Come on. It’s Southeast at the most. Farming that out is a huge benefit to FedEx. Can you imagine staffing a station in YUK or SIT? Mechanic, ramp, etc and outfitting our 757 with WAAS gps and building the RNP approaches necessary to make these destinations accessible in all seasons? I’m sure a few 737-700s full of freight doesn’t pencil.
12-11-2019, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by abides
Alaska? Come on. It’s Southeast at the most. Farming that out is a huge benefit to FedEx. Can you imagine staffing a station in YUK or SIT? Mechanic, ramp, etc and outfitting our 757 with WAAS gps and building the RNP approaches necessary to make these destinations accessible in all seasons? I’m sure a few 737-700s full of freight doesn’t pencil.
Maybe it’s a huge benefit to FedEx. But is it also a huge benefit to the pilots of FedEx? THAT should be the question because I can see how FedEx can make a valid economical argument for farming out a lot more flying that we currently do.
12-12-2019, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Moosefire
Bingo.
For instance. One of my best buds is ANC based for Alaska and frequently flies their freighters. He mentioned to me he was astonished our scope allowed them dedicating entire Alaska operated 737s (the whole jet) to moving FedEx cans. We certainly have the authority to operate in Alaska.
This next ones a bit less solid but I was departing HNL a few weeks ago and Aloha air cargo was waiting for us to vacate the spot on our ramp to park a 737 there. Maybe they’re just using the parking spot, but I know they carry our freight as well. Would be interesting to look into, especially considering that UPS is now flying to LIH.
For instance. One of my best buds is ANC based for Alaska and frequently flies their freighters. He mentioned to me he was astonished our scope allowed them dedicating entire Alaska operated 737s (the whole jet) to moving FedEx cans. We certainly have the authority to operate in Alaska.
This next ones a bit less solid but I was departing HNL a few weeks ago and Aloha air cargo was waiting for us to vacate the spot on our ramp to park a 737 there. Maybe they’re just using the parking spot, but I know they carry our freight as well. Would be interesting to look into, especially considering that UPS is now flying to LIH.
12-12-2019, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Maybe it’s a huge benefit to FedEx. But is it also a huge benefit to the pilots of FedEx? THAT should be the question because I can see how FedEx can make a valid economical argument for farming out a lot more flying that we currently do.
12-13-2019, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
The A321 P2F holds 14 AAA/AAY containers, the same amount as FedEx’s 757s and one less than the UPS 757PFs.
Sorry to resurrect an older post, but does anyone know if the A321neo is included in the P2F program? Seems that would be a much better replacement for the 757 aside from the obvious much higher cost than a ceo.
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