MEMA300

117 also requires dedicated rest facility for any augmented crew, so no Md11 futon on floor.

BoilerUP

I work for UPS, so I’m familiar.

An eye toward unintended consequences is prudent, but so is not intimating downside effects to commuters without first diving into 117 and especially its FRMP process.

BlueMoon

Well they could use the MD’s that have a rest facility on the routes that need them.

flextodaline

doubt seriously the company is going to invest any $$ in an aircraft thats going the way of the dinosaur.....just sayin'

Also, previous posts that pertain to, and I'm paraphrasing...if the company wants it, it can't be good for us, and that ALPA is for it because it would increase the demand for more pilots to increase dues revenue is spot on. If we think that ANYTHING is being put into place to make the pilots life better, you're kidding yourself. Ask any lawyer or accountant....it's all about the bottom line for the big dogs. Pilots are nothing but a cost center to an airline.

Tuck

Not necessarily - just changes the class of rest facility - this would have little change on our system

Tuck

I think you mean Leonard who has finished training a while ago. Dillman is not.

Tuck

Plusses and minuses to it for us. It's a HUGE plus for UPS and UPS pilots are pushing it like crazy. In fact the primary push is from UPS pilots, Teamsters pilots (Atlas) and ALPA National - doesn't mean it's bad for Fedex pilots just means that's where the energy is and, by far, the biggest potential improvements. Most of 117 is already better protected by our own work rules. Yes, indiscriminate extensions would be stopped here which would be huge and likely the Company's biggest concern.

BlueMoon

I didn’t say spend money on more, just use the ones they have already on routes that need them.

KYTBRD

based on this our week on week off scheduling would be in the crapper. Now instead of 1.5hr min turn I need 3.5 hours. That’ll eliminate a lot of turn possibilities for commuters and drive up either the number of commutes or the number of “dead days” sitting in Memphis waiting for the next set of trips to start. Commuters try to eliminate how many days off they have sitting in Memphis. This potentially results in more unpaid Memphis “layovers”.

time to get to rest facility: 0030
rest:2+00
show prior to departure: 1+00


I haven’t read the whole 117 a while so I’m not sure how the day lines would be effected. I think each of us need to invest time in reading it and while reading it think about how it will effect your typically awarded lines and how it would effect those you’d like to have. At my last job part 117 really screwed with our schedule for the worse by extending how many days you were on the road to make the same amount of pay. I agree the company will put out info to support their position but I think we all need to be very careful with this beast. This is just as much a QoL issue as the vacation system we currently have, Emotional conjecture and posturing without taking the time to read the rules is blind ignorance. ALPA literature will posture just as much as the company but for other self motivated reasons. Read the darn rules, apply them to your February line,and recognize both alpa and Fedex have something to gain and something to lose.

https://www.alpa.org/~/media/DAL/Doc...Rules-Text.pdf

https://www.alpa.org/-/media/DAL/Doc...de-FAR-117.pdf

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/part-117

last but nothing least the FAA legal interpretations of 117 sections

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...bSubmit=Search

save the PDFs to GoodReader or whatever app you use and read them on your next flight when you have nothing else to do. Discuss with others on the flight deck. Don’t wait to be told this will or will not effect your life. Figure it out for yourself. I think it’s age to say commuters try to make as much as possible in as little time as possible. Make sure you can still do that.

seefive

I think part 117 would be a huge negative on QOL. The unintended consequences of pushing for this has always been a major concern.