magic rat

Want PNP? Here's what guys are doing to get it...(I think)

Pilot A has a carryover trip XXX into the next bid month, and bids VTO. Before the SWW opens, (24-48 hrs?), the company takes a snapshot of all the VTO awardee calendars for planning purposes. When the SWW opens, Pilot A bids trips that conflict with this carryover trip. Hopefully, somehow, the following will take place:

Section 25.D.2.g
Carryover CH will not be part of the BLG/RLG for a secondary line except as provided in Section 25.E.4.b.iii. If it is not possible to build a secondary line within the line spread without creating a conflict, then the line will be built below the spread. I such case, the difference between the secondary line's BLG/RLG, and the applicable crew position's regular line average BLG shall be eligible for Priority Non-Premium (PNP) make-up.

Here's where/how the abuse occurs:

After the snapshot is taken, Pilot A's buddy, Pilot B, who also has a VTO next month, takes Trip XXX of Pilot A's calendar AFTER his snapshot was taken (so the snapshot of Pilot B's calendar shows no carryover trip, but now has one for SWW). Pilot B bids during SWW accordingly to conflict with Trip XXX that wasn't present when the snapshot was taken. VTOs are made, conflict is created, PNP, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Now, I KNOW this is happening because I've watched VTO holders calendars and carryover trips are moved along the timeframe described above. Not sure if protecting min days off is triggering PNP also?

Welcome your comments and shots at my theory.

Thrust Hold

See prior post on similar topic:

Trip cheater/wolf pack equalizer

Thrust Hold

I don't believe you're eligible for PNP for Carryover trip Conflicts picked up/created after the snapshot. I think that's the cutoff point.

I may be wrong, but I believe the Carryover trip credit just gets applied to your SLG schedule construction BLG.

cargoforlife

Yeah man, that's not how it works. So you don't KNOW, and that's sad because you've been here awhile. You obviously don't read anything the union puts out. They sent an email explaining all this a year ago.
PS I hate PNP and hope it goes away next contract.

busdriver12

That theory sounds pretty complicated. The only time I ever got PNP was when I had a carryover trip into a VTO, and didn’t select any c/o credit hours to be credited towards the VTO. Basically I had a carryover trip and did nothing. Also didn’t request a trip in conflict.

magic rat

I started thread because I was trying to point out abuse. Appreciate your responses because I’m scratching my head.

I happen to KNOW Pilot A and Pilot B, so I do KNOW this is happening. I’ve watched the same trip being used twice during SWW processing and was trying to figure out why. Hence my post. Now, whether or not it triggers PNP, is what I’m trying to figure out, maybe sometimes it does, maybe it doesn’t.

Lastly, cargoforlife, I got on our ALPA website, I could not find that email discussing this topic. If you or someone has it readily available, please post.

Herkguy80

Bumping this super old thread sorry.

Is there a way to get your PNP back by washing it with a bro somehow after using it to pick up a trip?

I see in TA 1.0 they were trying to end the PNP games...

FedEx Pilot

No, PNP can't be washed like PMU. Speaking from first hand experience

JackStraw

Comment is hate the player not the game.