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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2973174)

You don't seem to understand the difference between an illegal job action in violation of status quo during section 6 negotiations (which is what you're talking about) and a union supported safety issue when our members are being pushed to work in conditions that are unsafe. That's the whole reason ALPA came into existence in the first place. There's no law against a union supporting it's members in refusing to fly under conditions that clearly violate basic safety practices and put those members at risk, either immediate or later when they are refused basic medical care due to quarantine restrictions.

The union already put out a comm that they were being briefed by National on legal action when and if it was needed on Tuesday. Remember APA filed a TRO in a local state court because their chairman sent a comm to their pilots to not fly to China (Illegal job action). Management threatened a law suit so the next day APA filed the suit. Luckily for them all the passenger airlines got together and decided to shut down ops the next day. Call it saved by the bell otherwise APA would have had another huge lawsuit on its hands. I think the last lawsuit cost APA 45million for the illegal slowdown 7 or so years ago.

Its pretty hard for FDX ALPA to file a lawsuit when all the CDC and State Department restrictions specifically have a "Cargo Cut Out". Are you seeing the light why the 117 "Cargo Cutout" is bad and why you cant constantly say "oh we are different". I would say this situation was perfect timing to adjust your thinking with being cool with FDX being carved out of 117.

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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 2973355)

Are you seeing the light why the 117 "Cargo Cutout" is bad and why you cant constantly say "oh we are different". I would say this situation was perfect timing to adjust your thinking with being cool with FDX being carved out of 117.

Nice try, but that cut-out would still be in place even if we already were under 117. No one wants to halt the movement of critical goods and it’s being argued cargo is essential to moving necessary goods to combat the outbreak and maintain economic stability. That has nothing to do with 117 rest requirements.

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Originally Posted by Timeoff2fish (Post 2972123)

Safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety.

There. Now we have talked about safety. All is well. Here is some Purell.

Back to work.

Of course, we all know what it really means ................

Interesting FCIF and Email from company. FCIF was deleted in a few minutes. The email says the Union and company had negotiated a settlement like the UPS one. You dont have to go to China and if you do its draft

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Originally Posted by HIFLYR (Post 2973434)

ALPA sent out an email with details

It’s not draft. 3 CH if you pass thru China. 4.5 CH if you layover. Hong Kong and Taiwan not included.

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Originally Posted by jkjfm1 (Post 2973479)

It’s not draft. 3 CH if you pass thru China. 4.5 CH if you layover. Hong Kong and Taiwan not included.

well that’s disappointing

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Originally Posted by jkjfm1 (Post 2973479)

It’s not draft. 3 CH if you pass thru China. 4.5 CH if you layover. Hong Kong and Taiwan not included.

3 CH for every time you pass through China, including any DH transportation.

Why would HKG or Taiwan be included?

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Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2973488)

3 CH for every time you pass through China, including any DH transportation.

Why would HKG or Taiwan be included?

The LOA stated that Hong Kong and Taiwan were not included in the agreement. Just passing it on.

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Originally Posted by jkjfm1 (Post 2973479)

It’s not draft. 3 CH if you pass thru China. 4.5 CH if you layover. Hong Kong and Taiwan not included.

It's a 777 agreement. There are 5 trips in the entire Feb bidpack for HKG that don't touch China. So if HKG based pilots don't want to fly to China, most aren't going to get paid. March has 2 pairings that occur a total of 9 times.