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Old 02-05-2020, 05:22 AM
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...tend-work-home

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Coronavirus: Hong Kong to require all travellers entering from mainland China to go into quarantine for 14 days as city’s leader invokes special powers

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Old 02-05-2020, 05:37 AM
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UPS:

IPA Achieves China Agreement
Tuesday, February 04, 2020 11:43:00 PM
Following a marathon bargaining session stretching late into the night, the IPA has reached an agreement with UPS related to China flying during the coronavirus international public health crisis.

In this video, IPA President Bob Travis details provisions of the new agreement that will make all crewmember flying to mainland China strictly voluntary during the emergency.

The Coronavirus Letter of Agreement (LOA) will be posted by noon, February 5 on the IPA website.

All mainland China flying will be voluntary and paid at 150%
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Wonder if ALPA is working on that???

Or maybe they gave up after the company agreed people can expense up to $25 for a thermometer.
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Old 02-05-2020, 06:03 AM
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Wonder if ALPA is working on that???

Or maybe they gave up after the company agreed people can expense up to $25 for a thermometer.
Line in the sand??

APA sues and flights stop.............IPA gets volunteer and it's at 150%............. Fdx ALPA????
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Old 02-05-2020, 06:13 AM
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HKG peeps are saying we need support! There are many factors that affect so many families in different ways. Masks and personal protection equipment are in short supply. Panic mode has set in here. Many wanting to evac their families.

There are families that are unable to get medical treatment for very basic issues. Such as basic appointments for meds to necessary MRI appointments. Unable to get appointments due to the fact that Doctors are unwilling to see patients that have been in contact with people that have been in China in the previous 14 days. The situation is drastically changing day by day.

Children are unable to attend school. There are several case of people's children unable to attend school (especially outside of HK. HK has canceled school for weeks during the outbeak) because their parents have had to go to work in China in the last 14 days. This will perpetuallly leave them in limbo until the parent(s) are not flying anymore. Basically if you have been to China in the last 14 days you're a social pariah.

Flight cancellations out of HKG have created a back log, and some families have found it hard to depart HK. So many flights canceled. (Not that it matters, because if you return to the states, you are probably on quarantine anyways.) There are some families finding that there is nowhere to go. Most of the border entries from China to HK have closed.

HK just recently announced a mandatory 14 day quarantine period for people returning from China. Not sure how this is really gonna affect our ops. Might be that our pilots won't be able to work for 2 weeks after flying a trip. Many changing factors each day. Possiblity of being put into quarantine is high.

Grocery stores are running out of supplies. (At least mine is) Out of bread, toilet paper, and other basics, with no insight of replenishment soon. (This is not the same as in the states, we don't have cars here, so going to another store usually not an option.)

There are several countries that won't let us operate into their countries due to us being in China recently either, without a quarantine period. This is quite confusing as to which countries we can legally operate into and out of. So far we've just been winging it. This has created confusion, and many reroutes and cancellations. Singapore for example requires us to stay in the airport terminal hotel and not leave the terminal. Its suprising that we are able to operate there at all.

I can't really say how this will all play out. Its not getting better at this point. Only getting worse.

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Old 02-05-2020, 07:00 AM
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Here's one HKG guy's opinion:
When I was in the US military, I hung my ass out, got shot at, tangled with MiGs and accepted all the stuff that came with signing the blank check to Uncle Sam. Now I'm a civilian.
I fly FedEx aircraft because I'm willing to trade my time, my skills and accepting a fairly large portion of the responsibility in moving an aircraft from A to B in exchange for money. Period. Dot.
Whether or not I get some additional professional satisfaction from the job, delivering the purple promise or enjoy working with my fellow pilots is irrelevant in light of what we're now facing.

Is the media hyping this situation? Probably so. Are the local and international politicians playing a huge game of CYA? You bet they are. But, people transiting China and now other Asian countries are contracting this virus. They're being forced into quarantine and in some cases they're dying. The bottom line is that someone living and working in the US isn't subjected to to the risks that HKG based pilots are. Aside from the risks while we're working and transiting China or deadheading on flights with potential carriers, now we're being denied medical care if we've been in China (our major sort location and the actual hub we fly out of). We're now being told that when we return from flying in and out of China for a week or two that we will be subject to a self-imposed quarantine for two-weeks.

So - here's the deal FedEx: I took this gig because I decided the trade off of my time and offering my skills was worth the paycheck you were offering. I'm not going to put my life or my family member's life at risk out of some sense of duty to the purple promise. Pilots whose families are in theater with little kids at home should be thinking very hard about whether they're even willing to show up for their next trip. If the only reason they're even considering it is because they're on probation, then shame on you FedEx.

If you want your freight moved, then you pay to move it. You offer whatever it takes - check that - much more than it takes to get willing pilots to show up and do the job. You jump through hoops to ensure that every single pilot that flies your aircraft is as protected as they can be. If someone isn't willing to move your freight while risking their own health and that of their families then you let them opt out with no questions asked. Send them back to the US to fly there if you want them gainfully employed for their paycheck. Offer big money to the pilots who are in a position to take the risks that will move your freight. They may not be HKG pilots but maybe they'll come this way and do the job if the price is right.

Just don't expect us to show up for work as if the only thing we need is a mask and some hand sanitizer. I study and prep for recurrent. I make sure I'm as ready as I can be for every revenue flight and I bring my A game. But, this is just a job. I do it for money and time off when I can put some of that money to use. If you want more than that, you'd best be jumping through some serious hoops and not not be stingy with the Benjamins. ALPA - we're not in a kumbaya, give me a BZ and pat on the back mood. Hold the line, get the company to open their wallet wide and stop expecting us to just show up out of a sense of duty.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:53 AM
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Here, here! $25 thermometer reimbursement and hand sanitizer must be good enough for us. So far I have not noticed excessive open time trips to/from/in/around China to deliver much needed humanitarian aids. All appears copacetic. Cough, cough.
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Going to be hard to layover in TPE after laying over in PVG/CAN .....

https://ops.group/blog/china-coronavirus/
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Two things. FedEx is reimbursing for rectal thermometers only, and AbleDrivers most recent post is the second best post I've read all year. Well said!
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Safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety safety.

There. Now we have talked about safety. All is well. Here is some Purell.

Back to work.
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