What have you heard when it comes to pay?
 

Any position that you know or have heard the average pay per year and the highest pay per year.

A HKG FO told me he made 350k.

Why did you give in to the troll? Our pay scales are public. It doesn't take a science degree to figure out pay.

I was just giving the highest pay per year that I’ve heard of. Obviously 350 is not an average pay for a FO.

The HKG FDA has the ability to make the most pay but yet has the biggest group of complainers (small group but loud). Also many good people in that base that realize its a great gig. This attitude is leftover from the subic bay days. They had a cult like following that believed if we scream loud enough and long enough we will continue to get more and more. What makes it good and able to make the most is as follows.

Housing Stipend
Moving Package
Seed money
Education money
Constant Vacation buy back
constant AVA and draft
favorable tax equalization

This corona issue proved all these points above again. That base is crushing it currently. Many FO buds of mine are making wide body captain pay (350k range) and not working that hard due to drop and draft/AVA technique. They are also getting all the OIM pay kickers on-top of the draft/ava pay. I am happy they are getting all this but just wish the loud minority would zip it sometimes bc it get annoying.

By the way my buddies said the union did a survey of HKG crews 2 weeks ago and over 85% of those crews based their wanted to stay based their even under the current corona/riots situation. So numbers dont lie!

I heard that CEO’s of companies make a lot of money.

I personally know of at least three MEM based 777 FOs that pegged @ $385 last year..

Supposedly some flex FOs make some serious coin too.

Could you please stick to discussing what you know? We pay the same taxes as someone who lives in the US. That the tax equalization. FedEx actually claims the foreign tax exclusion on our behalf and keeps that benefit. That's the current agreement in the FDA LOA. So, there's nothing "favorable" about it. We're not taxed like normal expats with a portion of our income tax-free, if that's what you were suggesting.

I know a couple of non-FedEx expat workers who are based in Europe. Tax equalization is pretty much the norm these days if you are sent overseas by your employer. If you just moved overseas on your own, for whatever reason, you can avail yourself of the Foreign Income Exclusion.

Simple answer. You can claim residence for tax equalization purposes in a none state income tax state like most do. Also as this article explains all the extra pay for allowances (Housing allowance, education allowance, storage allowance, etc) is not taxed. Someone living in the US pays for all of these items with after tax dollars. Come on Adlerdriver you know how the gig works!!

https://www.expatnetwork.com/expat-t...lisation-work/

Do you have any idea why our union negotiated for these allowances? Have you looked at the cost in Hong Kong for housing? Have you considered the fact that you must pay for private school as opposed to here where public school is an option. Bid the FDA if it’s such a good deal. Otherwise quit whining about what they get.

BLOB I’m not complaining about it in fact, just the opposite. What I’ve been saying is I’m tired of the loud minority in HKG telling half truths and white lies, especially a month ago on JetFlyers. They screamed bloody murder as the Coronavirus broke out. Look at all my previous post I stated we would all go through the same pain as that base (school closures, exposer risk, etc). When our kids private school closes we don’t get company money. We don’t get housing money regardless of cost. They are getting almost 6k a month for housing. Even in HKG that more than covers a nice housing facility. They spewed hatred on social media trying to get more and more and it does nothing but split us apart as a group. I know numerous people who now knowing the facts are unwilling to support more FDA provisions in the next CBA. This is a replay what happened in Subic Bay. They screamed constantly and people were feed up with it. This is why it took so long to get the FDA LOA back to a “good” deal. It’s just sad to see a loud group ruin for the bigger group. I hope some self policing in that base is formed. It will help them in the long run.

You think 6K gets a nice place in HKG?

I see you're back on the allowance thing again. I'm going to stay on topic since I responded to your clear lack of understanding regarding tax equalization and its inclusion as some kind of "good deal" in your laundry list in a previous post.
Tax equalization is as I previously described it - period. I pay the same in Federal income tax as you. Contrary to your suggestion above, our pilots can't just decide to claim residence in a state without income tax unless they meet the same requirements as anyone living in the US. That's because Price Waterhouse and FedEx aren't willing to be a party to an individual's tax evasion scheme. In fact, proving to those two entities that one has all the wickets lined up to legally claim residence in a particular state tends to get significantly more scrutiny than the average American doing the same thing. As a result, we have plenty of HKG based pilots who continue to pay income tax to their official state of residence in the US.

Noworkandallplay is the biggest company shill I’ve ever seen here. Just wow.

Wouldn’t logic lead one to believe that if the HKG based pilots are getting all these great things you’ve pointed out, that instead of feeling resentment towards the tactics you perceive they used to get them, that you advocate for the rest of the pilots use those same tactics in order for us to enjoy those good things as well?

You have no clue!
 

Have you been based in the HK base?
You are so far off I don’t even no where to start.
1)Taxes, you pay the same taxes that you would pay in the state that you moved from, no foreign tax exclusion.
You are not allow to change states without setting up residency because you are moving to an FDA to save on state income taxes. The residency requirements are scrutinized.
2)The school stipend doesn’t cover one child in high school let two or three. I was paying less for two in private school in the US than what it cost for one in HK in high school. In most cases you can’t put your child in public school there so you are stuck with the private school. Plus it doesn’t cover the money you have to pay just to get into the school.
3) The current housing allowance is around $5400 USD (not $6k like you stated) and will not put you in the Taj Mahal. It will cover a modest place for 3. If have a larger family you will pay out of pocket!

The aggravation comes from all the non FDA pilots wanting to dump on the FDA pilots.

It’s obvious that you know nothing about the FDAs. Might I suggest you keep your comments to something you know about since your knowledge about the FDA is lacking.

It is my guess that you dont know much about SFS and the creation of the HKG FDA LOA. They screamed constantly?? According to things you say in other posts, that would be fighting for a better agreement.

I havent been on this site since the last contract. And from what I have seen, you seem to be a very self avowed knowledgeable fellow.

And BTW, history proves that it is the loud minority that many times affects change.

Last I checked, it didn't matter if your state had income tax or not.

I have no desire to bid HKG. But that doesn’t mean that I’d like to see them get a better deal. It doesn’t always have to be all about me. After all, if it’s that great of a deal, bid it yourself.

These guys have really been through a **** storm over there. Protests, Covid, China detainment, etc. The harassment in Asia has been going on for awhile now. I’ve done a few trips over there lately and, I have to be honest, it’s just no fun. I appreciate their efforts to improve their situation and support them 100%.