“I’m just staying till 62 because...
04-10-2020, 07:55 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Agree Sluggo! GolfandFly is a miserable human that is battling internal demons. I sure hope he/she gets the help they need.
04-10-2020, 08:12 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Captain
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Maybe I'm missing something, so I'm open to being corrected. But most guys that are at or approaching retirement age at FedEx have been here a while. If we discount the later in life arrivals from the military (since they have a mil pension and health care), a lot of pilots heading out the door in the next decade have had many good years as a WB Captain. Quite a few have been WB Captains since the early 2000s. So, my sympathy meter for wasting negotiating collateral on lowering the cost of their health care until medicare kicks in is ZERO!!
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
04-10-2020, 08:27 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Maybe I'm missing something, so I'm open to being corrected. But most guys that are at or approaching retirement age at FedEx have been here a while. If we discount the later in life arrivals from the military (since they have a mil pension and health care), a lot of pilots heading out the door in the next decade have had many good years as a WB Captain. Quite a few have been WB Captains since the early 2000s. So, my sympathy meter for wasting negotiating collateral on lowering the cost of their health care until medicare kicks in is ZERO!!
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
The 25K VEBA in the 2006 CBA was a giveaway. It just gave the money to those over 55.
Last edited by golfandfly; 04-10-2020 at 08:44 AM.
04-10-2020, 10:01 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Maybe I'm missing something, so I'm open to being corrected. But most guys that are at or approaching retirement age at FedEx have been here a while. If we discount the later in life arrivals from the military (since they have a mil pension and health care), a lot of pilots heading out the door in the next decade have had many good years as a WB Captain. Quite a few have been WB Captains since the early 2000s. So, my sympathy meter for wasting negotiating collateral on lowering the cost of their health care until medicare kicks in is ZERO!!
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
All pretty good points. My point to the OP is that there is a (better?) alternative than having a POTUS that advocates for lowering Medicare eligibility age. With that said, despite your points, I’m not against improvements in this part of the contract. Money saved is money saved, regardless if it’s in the front end with our B fund or on the back end with premium savings, assuming one decides to retire early.
04-10-2020, 10:03 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 50
Age 65 retirement a Blessing
Originally Posted by 11man
How many times have we heard “I’d leave at 60, but Medicare doesn’t kick in until 62.”
Well.... Start calling them out, Biden today announced he’ll have Medicare start at 60. Let’s see if it was just puffing....
Well.... Start calling them out, Biden today announced he’ll have Medicare start at 60. Let’s see if it was just puffing....
04-10-2020, 10:04 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: B757/767 Both Seats
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by Hose11
Lighten up there Francis! I was just relating my own thought process and not demanding others follow it. You must be a treat to fly with. Now I remember why I never posted here for about 20 years.
Well said!!!! I believe that he is a troll.
04-10-2020, 10:05 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Crewmember
Posts: 1,377
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Maybe I'm missing something, so I'm open to being corrected. But most guys that are at or approaching retirement age at FedEx have been here a while. If we discount the later in life arrivals from the military (since they have a mil pension and health care), a lot of pilots heading out the door in the next decade have had many good years as a WB Captain. Quite a few have been WB Captains since the early 2000s. So, my sympathy meter for wasting negotiating collateral on lowering the cost of their health care until medicare kicks in is ZERO!!
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
It's not like this is a surprise. PLAN your retirement. You've got millions in your B-fund. You're going to be making close to $130K per year in today's dollars, which is substantial still. Someone making WB Captain pay for over a decade has no excuse for being unprepared for retirement health care costs. If you have been an idiot financially and spent all your money like a drunken sailor or funding multiple divorces, then work until the bitter end. I could care less. You'll die sooner and stop tapping Uncle Sugar's medicare fund. Tell me your sob story over a beer and I'll listen sympathetically while scoffing on the inside. If you can't bridge the cost of health care between retirement and 65 with the money this job provided you, then you don't deserve any extra consideration in our next round of negotiations. You'd probably just screw that up too.
04-10-2020, 10:07 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 50
Age 65
Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Maybe the older Tigers guys, but not all of us. I don't have a military retirement, but I did serve and got here late in life due to the lack of hiring in the industry in the early to mid 90's. I got stuck in the right seat by age 65, so I don't have 20 years in the WB Captain seat. I will stay until 65, and like the guys ahead of me, who reclaimed the Captain seats from the back seat said at the time, "It's none of your business how long I stay" and "It's my seat until I am ready to leave it." So to any young, junior guy that wants to tell me to leave, they can go pack sand.
04-10-2020, 10:10 AM
#30
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I agree people can stay as long as they wait. If they change the 65 limit....fly till they die as some of our guys would do. I just have an issue with the people acting righteous and acting above the age 65 retirement guys saying “the only reason I stay, is because of insurance”
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