Slg Vacation
 

I’ve got 14 days (90 hrs) of vacation in June.

If I shrink my vacation down to the smallest footprint, will they still be able to award any flying?

The goal is to get ninety hours of pay for the month plus pick up flying.

You need to bid a VTO line and then your BLG will be 90 hours. Then in the SLG process you can shrink the vacation footprint to zero. You will not be able to add any trips in the SLG process since you already exceed BLG but you can pick up as much flying you want once open time becomes available. Send me a PM if you need any clarification.

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Thank you for the reply. What I understand you’re saying, i have 90 hours vacation, I cannot add any trips during SLG, and neither can scheduling. However, after I shrink my vacation line and open time is released, I can go pick up trips?
what is the best way to get maximum vacation pay and also be able to pick up trips in June ? Bid a SLG, reserve or regular line.

The only way for you to get you 90 hours is with a VTO. If you bid a regular or reserve line the most you can get is the value of that line and you will still have a red bar on your calendar. The remaining vacation hours will be paid in December if you do not use the hours in some way in a later vacation month.

Yes you can pick up trips in open time or get volunteer and draft also. You will have no red line on your calendar. Being able to remove or reduce the vacation footprint is the about the only thing I like about the new VTO system.

No trips will be added to your VTO line even if you request a trip. You have exceeded VTO BLG and you can not reduce the vacation hours added to your BLG you can only decrease the footprint.

First, 14 days is 84 hours, not 90 hours (14 X 6 = 84). If you want to be paid for 84 hours, you need to bid a VTO as stated above.

As far as "shrinking your vacation" goes, you can not have less than 14 days vacation on your calendar if you want to be paid for that number of days bidding a VTO. If you want fewer days, bid a VTO and reduce your vacation. You will get paid less.

You can pick up days when open time is released as long as those trips don't touch your 14 days of vacation.

Not true for VTO - you can shrink the vacation footprint to zero days in the SLG process and every day of the month is available to pick up a trip on.

Your last statement is true for a regular or reserve line.

You can ask to reduce the vacation # of days also but it is company choice to honor the request. Sounds like OP doesn't want that anyway.

Good catch on the math - I didn't even pay attention to the number lol

Heavy - just send me a PM and I will look you up in VIPS and call you.

Would you provide the reference please?

What I found says that you can reduce the number of vacation days you wish to apply to the month to as low as zero. Wouldn't you then get zero paid days of vacation and a full month of trips? This is 25.E.4.b.

Go to 'SLG Crew' under links - 'SLG Crew information' on the right hand side - select 'Vacation Secondary Lines'

This document will explain vacation during the SLG process

There are two windows the first is to ask to reduce/add vacation draw - company decision to accept/reject. Then during SLG process you can slide and/or reduce the vacation footprint. You BLG starts with the value of # of vacation days.

In my case I have 10 days next month. If I am awarded a VTO I can only be assigned trips up the the value of 60 hours from vacation plus trips that does not exceed the Max BLG of VTOI value for June that will come out in the FCIF. I can shrink my footprint to zero and get say two 6 CR trips placed anywhere on my calendar and then I can add trips in open time.

USMC is 100% correct....

2 Different things:

1) Hour reduction request.
2) Shrinking your Vacation Footprint.

The hour reduction is just that only a request. It’s up to the company to decide if they want to grant it. I asked for a measly 12 hour reduction in May and was denied.

Its a reduction in hours applied to your SLG build process.

Read up on the two scenarios.

Thanks for the reference USMCFDX. I’m not sure I share the enthusiasm in this provision that allows our pilots who consistently work extra to work Even more in a month they have vacation. YMMV.

I like it not for that reason. I like it because if I don't need the days off that my vacation touches it allows me to possibly be assigned a trip where the vacation footprint may have existed. It adds a bit more flexibility when adding trips in the SLG process.

While we’re on vacation, I need some help confirming vacation versus reserve lines. It’s been a while for me being on reserve with vacation. Scenario:
Reserve line 15 days in a row starting on the first day of the bid month. 7 days of vacation starting Monday of last week in bid month. In other words, the vacation will never touch any of the R days no matter what I do.

Please confirm. If I do nothing during conflict window, even though no vaca days are in conflict with R days, 7 R days will be removed on a one for one basis to correlate with my vacations days leaving 8 R days. Which Rdays are removed is up to crew planning but they will consider inputs made via reserve line reconstruction worksheet. My vaca bank will be charged 7x Rday value.

Also confirm. Same scenario. If I extend vacation, assuming Rday = 4.5 (6x7 +6 = 48 divided by 4.5) = 10.6. Round down to 10 so extension allows 3 more Rdays removed. So with extension, 10 Rdays removed leaving 5 Rdays - again which ones at discretion of crew planning with pilot inputs available via worksheet. Vaca bank charged 10 x Rday value.

Mainly double checking that no R days need to actually conflict (touch) with the normal or extended Vacation footprint to be removed in either scenario.

Also vaca touching day one of 15 days of reserve does not knock out the whole block of Rdays, correct? Thanks.

Correct on all your assumptions- you also can waive 48 buffer on each end. Processing summary page is your friend in helping you evaluate your decisions.

SLG question....
how and when do I shrink my vacation footprint so I can still work in June?
also, with 90 hours of vacation in June, I used 2 ish hours for an overlap trip...why do I show negative 15 hours in my bank? Any help is appreciated

On PFC, go to Links, SLG Crew, slg information tab, vacation secondary lines. Looks like you need to make your decisions by the 19th of May when view/add closes. How long was the overlap trip you touched with vaca? If you have questions, I have had very good help via insite and asking about secondary lines.

I did exactly what he described this month reduced vac footprint to 0 and AVAed when I wanted to.

Not true for VTO - you can shrink the vacation footprint to zero days in the SLG process and every day of the month is available to pick up a trip on.

Your last statement is true for a regular or reserve line.

You can ask to reduce the vacation # of days also but it is company choice to honor the request. Sounds like OP doesn't want that anyway.

Good catch on the math - I didn't even pay attention to the number lol

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HIFLYR, Is the statement from Pinseeker quoted above what you mean by his “last statement”?
If so, I think that it is not true for reserve lines. Even if you deconflict your vacation from every single Rday on your reserve line with no vacation touching any Rdays, you will still have Rdays removed from your calendar on a one for one basis according to how many days of vacation you have in that month. Extending vacation will remove even more Rdays. The only way to have vacation and not use vacation hours in that month is to bid a regular line with no trips conflicting with vacation or bid secondary and reduce your vacation hours during the view/add.

The above line was his reply - his quote function messed up - the rest of his reply was quoting my previous reply.

Send an insite report before you believe anyone here. They have the final answer on whats going to happen.