BLOB

Depends on how you define “we”. Not all of “we” (us) would have been better off. And it wasn’t junior guys flying carryover each month that kept us in it longer. Are you part of the Semper I club that stood up at union meetings advocating furlough instead of abiding by a contractual provision you voted for?

Squeakygreaser

Thanks all for the info, sounds like this was not a perfect or universally liked solution. I did read a bit of the contract, but the way it ended up was that only some people ended up with lower credit schedules? I suppose that is a logical outcome.

I guess I see why our union is not bringing us anything to vote on, it sounds like this was pretty contentious.
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MEMFO4Ever

Narrow body 4a2b; been there, done that, got the tee shirt to prove it. No thanks. IMO the entire subsection should have been stricken from the CBA, but what do I know. Sharing the pain is fine as long as everyone shares the pain, which will never happen. And BTW, I voted for the 2015 contract.

Is it time to complain about lie flat seats again?

Noworkallplay

And sir you win post of the day. Many senior bubbas said one thing and acted in other ways. Sounds like the past 5 months with the virus issues. The same crowd ****ing and moaning a few months ago are the ones flying 25 days a month and taking every draft they can. HKG is a great example. The screams on Jetflyers would not stop. You then look up the schedules of those screams and its packed full. I was also getting screen shots from buds of these two faced buffoons schedules.

Thats how it always shakes out some win and some lose no matter what you do or write into a CBA.

seefive

Lol.....we aren’t Delta. And never will be.

BLOB

And that’s a good thing...

Nightflyer

Whatever happened to Delta plus a nickel?

golfandfly

It’s never been equal and the new language doesn’t make it even. It’s a seniority system and the most senior will do better. They’ll continue to bid carryover and won’t be hurt too much, if at all. That’s the way it should be. I’m not senior, but I could be very senior if I stayed as an FO. My range (70%) would lose big, but no one made me upgrade.

My biggest gripe with the agreement was reserve. It’s a little better than it was before (15 or 19 days at a drastically reduced RLG), but it could have been fixed by giving a min pay per reserve day. I’d even take 4.5 hours as a minimum.

golfandfly

We may get that soon.

Some people here just don’t value their contribution to the company. They’ll throw enough scraps for certain segments to get 50%. Sick leave, advance notice payout, etc.

BLOB

Of course it is contentious...it’s asking for shared sacrifice in hard times. It’s $. People all have different priorities and loyalties. That doesn’t mean it can’t be a good idea to save jobs.

As you’ve heard here, some will sacrifice more than others and some will benefit more than others. Good contracts can minimize but not entirely avoid that. It seems the junior folks in their seat lose the most but they also have the biggest risk in furlough and the most to gain by not furloughing. A very junior guy in a junior seat might have seen some of the biggest BLG cuts but he kept his job. That junior captain or WB FO who says we should have furloughed ignores the fact that the furlough they advocate for would likely come with a re-alignment bid and he might have to go to training to take that pay cut...but hey he can have a full BLG at a lower pay rate.

It’s important for junior guys who don’t get furloughed because guys took a pay cut for them, need to appreciate that fact. And we need to remember that the next time things get tough and we are asked to take one for the team.

That being said, the statement that junior guys flying draft extended 4a2b might be the most ignorant thing I’ve heard. The guys who were in danger of getting furloughed nearly all ended up on the 727 panel, the most overmanned seat. There was no extra or draft to fly.