golfandfly

I believe that’s it’s Hong Kong rules and we have no control. Personally, there is no way I’d accept a leg that goes into HKG until this gets fixed.

Nightflyer

So what happens if you refuse to fly the leg?

Before, you could refuse a leg that went to the country that shall not be named, but is that also true for the city that cannot be named?

We need to know the ramifications if we refuse to fly a scheduled leg.

golfandfly

I’m thinking this falls under IMSAFE (stress?).

Even if you tested before the trip, you could have caught it at AOC five minutes later. What if another crewmember or jumpseater caught it? Now you are quarantining in your cell. The possibilities are endless and we all know there’s been a huge uptick in cases.

Just like those that chose not to fly into Unnamed country (initially when they started testing), there just isn’t any way I’d accept the leg. If you say that you don’t feel it’s safe, I’m not concerned about the fallout.

flugenmachen

How did UA and AA get this handled so quickly? Was it the union putting their foot down, or the company trying to avoid a very complicated situation? Or a little bit of both? I realize that neither carrier had a lot of flights going into HKG anyway, but still I applaud their immediate and decisive reaction.

Downtime

AA guy here. The union said no to this. After we said no I think the company thought about it more and went yeah that seems like a good plan.

busdriver12

Thanks for that information! Sounds like we have a weaker union.

BrulesRulez

You just be forgetting there is a domicile in HKG lol. So you want to the union to tell the company to stop HKG layovers like AA and UAL did when we have 180 pilots + families living out here? It’s obviously a very unique situation.....

busdriver12

Of course it’s unique, but the problem appears to be with those pilots laying over there, not the HKG guys, as they are allowing HKG based pilots who live there quarantine in their homes. For now.

Red Letter

FAR 121.135

Safety is the most important consideration in all FedEx operations. The operating philosophy at FedEx also supports the conclusion that safety is an essential ingredient to commercial success. In the course of flight operations, several factors must be given due consideration by all flight crewmembers. The most important include Safety, Legality, and Reliability.

The following items describe the key crewmember responsibilities as they relate to the primary responsibility – Safety:

• During times when various priorities of safety, legality, and reliability appear to be in conflict, it is the responsibility of all crewmembers in general, and the Captain in particular, to ensure that safety remains the primary focus.

• Any uncertainty regarding the safety of an operation is to be questioned and satisfactorily resolved before that operation is conducted or continued.

Rock

Just to clarify...would this be considered unsafe?

“Firsthand accounts of beds only a few feet apart from very ill patients and shared diagnostic equipment do not equate to a standard of care........“