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02-24-2021, 06:45 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
Can you provide an example?
For me, I’ve always been conservative. If I’m on a 3 pilot crew and we fly a 7.0 with each pilot doing 2hrs on break, then I log 5.0 TT and 5.0 SIC.
I think legally PIC can be logged by one pilot while the captain is in the back on break but it seems to gray area for me and I prefer simplicity.
Maybe I’m leaving some hours on the table, thoughts?
For me, I’ve always been conservative. If I’m on a 3 pilot crew and we fly a 7.0 with each pilot doing 2hrs on break, then I log 5.0 TT and 5.0 SIC.
I think legally PIC can be logged by one pilot while the captain is in the back on break but it seems to gray area for me and I prefer simplicity.
Maybe I’m leaving some hours on the table, thoughts?
I agree with Flyguy. In that scenario, it sounds like you are logging too many hours. It might raise a red flag if they review your logbook.
02-24-2021, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
I agree with Flyguy. In that scenario, it sounds like you are logging too many hours. It might raise a red flag if they review your logbook.
So in that example: each pilot took a 2hr break and each pilot was in a cockpit seat for 5hrs of the 7hr flight. I promise I wasn’t trying to use difficult numbers!!
Really curious to hear from RFOs at FedEx but then again FedEx guys probably aren’t keeping their logbook current!
02-24-2021, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
Where I fly, 3 pilots are required in the cockpit for first 15 min of flight and last 45 min of flight (critical phases of flight).
So in that example: each pilot took a 2hr break and each pilot was in a cockpit seat for 5hrs of the 7hr flight. I promise I wasn’t trying to use difficult numbers!!
Really curious to hear from RFOs at FedEx but then again FedEx guys probably aren’t keeping their logbook current!
So in that example: each pilot took a 2hr break and each pilot was in a cockpit seat for 5hrs of the 7hr flight. I promise I wasn’t trying to use difficult numbers!!
Really curious to hear from RFOs at FedEx but then again FedEx guys probably aren’t keeping their logbook current!
Hope this helps. I truly don’t mean to be a drag.
02-24-2021, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
Can you provide an example?
For me, I’ve always been conservative. If I’m on a 3 pilot crew and we fly a 7.0 with each pilot doing 2hrs on break, then I log 5.0 TT and 5.0 SIC.
I think legally PIC can be logged by one pilot while the captain is in the back on break but it seems to gray area for me and I prefer simplicity.
Maybe I’m leaving some hours on the table, thoughts?
For me, I’ve always been conservative. If I’m on a 3 pilot crew and we fly a 7.0 with each pilot doing 2hrs on break, then I log 5.0 TT and 5.0 SIC.
I think legally PIC can be logged by one pilot while the captain is in the back on break but it seems to gray area for me and I prefer simplicity.
Maybe I’m leaving some hours on the table, thoughts?
02-24-2021, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mukalel
Hey guys, quick question... hows does fedex like time to be logged while flying with a four man crew? Currently im an f/o... how do you divide up the times for the logbook? Should you keep a separate IRO section?
02-25-2021, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I’ve flown long haul at two different companies and my understanding is that the only person who is ever PIC and can log that time is the captain who signs the release. The captain is still PIC even when in the bunks. I always logged the whole flight as TT and SIC since I was still part of the crew. The crew tracking software that my present employer uses does the same. If I fly a 13 hr leg with a 6 hour break, the computer logs me at 13 hours, not just seat time.
Even if you’re in the bunk, it still counts against legality so I’d log it.
02-25-2021, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
This. I would try to make my log match my employer’s logs unless there’s a discrepancy and then I’ll try to get the employer to correct.
Even if you’re in the bunk, it still counts against legality so I’d log it.
Even if you’re in the bunk, it still counts against legality so I’d log it.
I’ve heard this a lot lately and think I need to update/fix my logbook.
02-25-2021, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rvfanatic
Just to confirm, you’d do as Hedley suggests and log all TT and all SIC for an international flight with more than 2 pilots if your employer only shows total time and doesn’t break it out?
I’ve heard this a lot lately and think I need to update/fix my logbook.
I’ve heard this a lot lately and think I need to update/fix my logbook.
I would go the more conservative route if I were you. Time you spend in the sleep room in MEM counts as duty time if it is in between hub turns. Are you going to log that as well?
Again, if you are called for an interview, they want to hire you. Don't give them a reason not to by trying to explain how you logged 11 hours SIC time on an 11 block hour flight.
If you want the definite answer, contact FedEx and ask them how they would want you to log it.
02-26-2021, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
I would go the more conservative route if I were you. Time you spend in the sleep room in MEM counts as duty time if it is in between hub turns. Are you going to log that as well?
Again, if you are called for an interview, they want to hire you. Don't give them a reason not to by trying to explain how you logged 11 hours SIC time on an 11 block hour flight.
If you want the definite answer, contact FedEx and ask them how they would want you to log it.
Again, if you are called for an interview, they want to hire you. Don't give them a reason not to by trying to explain how you logged 11 hours SIC time on an 11 block hour flight.
If you want the definite answer, contact FedEx and ask them how they would want you to log it.
If the company marks down 11 hours of block (on our 12.5 hour duty day) towards my max block in 28 days or my max block in 12 months, it’s going into my log bog as 11 hours of block. I’m still a required crew-member at all times on that flight, and could be required to perform duties at any moment. It’s not like I could take off, fly 8 hours, and then go to the back and crack a beer because I’m done.
I never log duty time in my logbook and that’s not what we’re discussing here at all.
Should I stop logging block time whenever I leave the cockpit to go to the lav too?
02-26-2021, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Duty time isn’t block time, so why would he log that?
If the company marks down 11 hours of block (on our 12.5 hour duty day) towards my max block in 28 days or my max block in 12 months, it’s going into my log bog as 11 hours of block. I’m still a required crew-member at all times on that flight, and could be required to perform duties at any moment. It’s not like I could take off, fly 8 hours, and then go to the back and crack a beer because I’m done.
I never log duty time in my logbook and that’s not what we’re discussing here at all.
Should I stop logging block time whenever I leave the cockpit to go to the lav too?
If the company marks down 11 hours of block (on our 12.5 hour duty day) towards my max block in 28 days or my max block in 12 months, it’s going into my log bog as 11 hours of block. I’m still a required crew-member at all times on that flight, and could be required to perform duties at any moment. It’s not like I could take off, fly 8 hours, and then go to the back and crack a beer because I’m done.
I never log duty time in my logbook and that’s not what we’re discussing here at all.
Should I stop logging block time whenever I leave the cockpit to go to the lav too?
Not all block time is SIC time, so why would you log SIC time while you are in the bunk in the airplane? Do what you want, I'm just giving my opinion as someone who has successfully gone through the process.
You stated that time in the bunk while flying counts against legality. So does duty time. My point was that isn't a good reason to log it.
As I said before, if you want the definitive answer of what the FedEx hiring department wants/looks for, contact them.
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