Jma313

If you’re not planning on staying please leave that potential spot for the military or regional guy that doesn’t have a number at a mainline carrier.

capt_zman

Good post. I guess some people have a short memory as it wasn't all that long ago (pre-covid) that FDX was not in the best of shape and facing our own potential turmoil. I'm truly embarrassed by these attitudes shown in these posts.

I wish you and all others who are lucky enough to secure an interview the best of luck and look forward to flying with you on the line.

BusBoy88

What if there is an economic downturn that has massive repercussions for Fedex? What if FedEx eventually has to furlough one day? You'd be a fool if you were willing to resign and give up recall rights at another carrier if you didn't have to. I fully understand why FedEx makes people resign their seniority at another carrier but for those pilots it would be irresponsible and moronic to do it if you didn't have to. That's probably why they were asking the question. They could take the job at FedEx and fully intend on staying but you never know what is going to happen in this industry. Having recall rights at another carrier would be a huge benefit and a great backup plan even if they want to be at FedEx and intend to stay.

dba74

agreed, and don't forget corporate

pipe

You only have to go back as far as 2008 for an example of this scenario. Just as the company was unevenly and unfairly instituting 4A2B across the crew force, they felt compelled to browbeat everyone who might potentially still have a seniority number elsewhere. They actually offered an "amnesty" period to resign OAL seniority for those criminals who attempted to maintain options to feed their families as they were being simultaneously displaced and having their line values reduced (amounting to a double pay cut). Many of the unaffected took no notice of it at the time, but it was a travesty. How do you tell a guy "You're displaced from your seat, your ALV is down 20+ hours, we'll try not to furlough, and, oh yeah, you need to give up any little safety net you might have or we'll fire you". I guess at their core they knew that the way they were applying 4A2B was egregious enough to cause people to start considering their options.

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golfandfly

Amen brother! I’m not sure why this is so personal. I don’t pay training costs. If you see greener pastures elsewhere, go! You’re not hurting my feelings. If Fedex is requiring that you have to resign in order to start class (which is the case), that’s a decision someone will have to make. If they choose not to process your resignation and you go back to your previous company, best of luck to you.

For me, this is the best job I’ve had and I’m a former major carrier guy. It might not be for someone else and I respect your decision to go wherever suits you...

hoya saxa

For clarity’s sake, 4a2b reduces BLG’s to a min of 54/68 hours from 68/81 normal mins for 4/5 week months. “20+ hours” is hyperbole. Some line values were reduced to the minimum, many less so, others not at all.

Edit: meant 68/85



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Adlerdriver

Since we’re going for clarity, the 2006 CBA under which 4A2b was implemented allowed reduction to 48/60. That seems like 20+ to me (-20/-25, just for clarity) and hardly hyperbole to those who did get down to the min.

Noworkallplay

Many in the industry would love to be able to take that deal rite now. Get 0 hours of pay and see how that feels. People complain about 4.a.2.b yet this language is exactly what airlines are doing currently to try to save jobs. I guess FDX was just ahead of its time. The addition of 4.a.2.c makes it more “fair” and “even” now if it needs to be used. It also has more stringent rules to cross for it implementation.

golfandfly

Fdx was in no where near the financial situation as the passenger airlines are now. It’s still not “fair”. Some thrived while others got hit hard. We’ll see how you like it in the next economic downturn.