tengssuuciurta

Since he posted a link to Kalitta Charters' website I doubt it.

LunkerHunter

No way. He clearly stated "Atlas, etc are not pt 121, they are pt 135". total gaffe

FTv3

Well kuh-rap. Sorry I don’t know about y’all’s side of the house over there in ACMI world, what y’all do and how you operate. Glad you got a laugh out of it - I admit I did a trivial search when a more thorough one was obviously warranted. Doesn’t change my argument much and the greater point I was making. The simple fact is there is a reason no one besides the ACMI carriers carry actuals internationally and the reason given to me (by the people who would know) was restrictions on using CASS outside the USA.

WhipWhitaker

The simple fact is that you know about as much about 121 vs 135 as you do about CASS. There is NO restriction to the use of CASS outside of the US. Just the way you word your responses makes me think you don’t really even understand how the system works...that plus the 121/135 thing, are you sure you’re an airline pilot?

FTv3

Dude, if you know so much about it why not tell us all why the majors, the regionals, Fx & 5X all don’t allow actual JSers internationally while the ACMI’s do..? I’ve inquired with JS & security committees over the years and the answer I was given I shared here. That was clearly stated. Wording = cuz I dont want to give Jihad Jack unnecessary information on how to access a JS on a silver platter. 121/135, look man, I apologized for the mistake. You gunna find there’s a lot of us who don’t know (or care) about the ACMI side of things. Don’t need to take that personally.

303flyboy

You are factually incorrect. I have been jumpseating to and from Europe for years, as recent as 4 weeks ago (United) on United, DAL, AA, Atlas, Kalitta (btw gents and ladies - thanks as always).

Do not mistake jumpseating though for sitting in the actual js. Some airlines will let sit in the actual on intl flights (Kalitta atlas ) some will not (UAL dal aa). You are however still listed as a jumpseater thanks to cass.

The only difference with the pax carriers is that here has to be a seat available in the back for me to sit on, on those 3 as I do not work for any of those 3 nor is my airline affiliated with them.

All those listenings are possible thanks to CASS though.

FTv3

Cabin JS status seating was never in dispute. I was clearly referring to the actual on non ACMIs and the reason for that, as was given to me, had to do with CASS. I’ve used offline JS privileges internationally too, sporadically for 20 years.

303flyboy

I think we all more or less agree. Just like offline pilots are welcome to “js” on us as well intl as long as there is a seat for them in the cabin.

The question on page one was more if there is any movement forward to have this changed as clearly Kalitta, Atlas and one or two more already allow this (taking CASS members in the actual regardless of domestic or intl ). Pax carriers (aa etc) matters a little less as there typically are always one or two seats open in the back anyway unless you go on a Friday in June.

FTv3

I actually found that some of you don’t really know what you are talking about so I double checked some things I knew to be true.

Since it’s publicly available,

From ALPA’s jumpseat guide:

“3. Verifying Cockpit Access Security System (CASS) approval— ————. CASS serves only to meet the employment and identity verification requirement necessary to occupy a flight deck jumpseat. It has no bearing on eligibility to ride in the cabin.”

In the following paragraph:

“A jumpseater who will be occupying a cabin seat does not need to be CASS approved. “

So not thanks to CASS after all...

A little further down:

“International Jumpseating
In 2012, TSA lifted the restriction on off-line pilots occupying the jumpseat on international flights. As of this writing, ALPA is working to address a number of logistical hurdles and we anticipate that international jump- seating will again be a reality in the future. Until then, an off-line pilot may only occupy a seat in the passenger cabin when traveling internationally.”

As was explained to me, those LOGISTICAL HURDLES were mostly related to CASS.

WhipWhitaker

Maybe YOUR airline has a specific CASS system issue overseas, but my airline provides direct access to the CASS system vía a proprietary app and cockpit jumpseaters are verified to be eligible planeside and prior to boarding by the flight crew. It doesn’t matter if we are in Orlando or Osaka, it all works the same way. All the answers you need are in your last paragraph, TSA lifted the ban in 2012, some airlines figured it out (built an app, created a listing tool that works overseas) and some did not.