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Old 11-30-2020, 05:47 PM   #21  
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All kidding aside, how many more indignities are this crew force/industry going to accept in the interest of moving freight out of China. Fedex management seems happy enough to pass along pronouncements of ever intrusive and ridiculous requirements and our company, our management, eager to make big money off the backs of its front line employees, just passes along this garbage. I know those of us lucky enough to be senior or not on a fleet that goes to Asia can avoid this stupidity, but not all can. I wish our union would grow a pair and just say No, and strongly advise all to do the same. I know without a formal agreement by the company to do so, some of our pilots will continue to just fly into China and accept the conditions forced on them. I know Fedex's answer, if forced by lack of willing participants, would be just to open their wallet and pay more, but we are not even doing that. It's time to say, enough is enough.
I dont know if you are reading the union comms I am but that’s exactly what I have read in the “positive rate” as well as “The Chairmans” letters that have been sent out. Its been clear about them not supporting it. They have talked about “fatigue” and “safety” provisions that crews have at their disposal. Time for the crews to put the big boy pants on and stop blaming everyone else. They cant make the call for you.

I completely agree that some of the layover restrictions are bs but if people continue to accept it change wont come. Premium pay is still flowing so people continue to do it.

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”........Premium pay is still flowing so people continue to do it.”
What would that “Premium” pay be? I have yet to see “premium” pay on my pay statement. Whether I go to CAN or CGN, it’s the same rate.
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What would that “Premium” pay be? I have yet to see “premium” pay on my pay statement. Whether I go to CAN or CGN, it’s the same rate.
Don't trip over the terms missing the point. Had lunch with two triple bros today and both were on draft. We are our own worst enemies........
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I think we are a day late and a dollar short. The union and company came to an agreement which gave us pennies on the dollar for our efforts. ...I get it, it is the Fedex way...as long as we get the $$$$$$$$$...
That's also the ALPA way, I think we got too much pancake batter on the brain these days.

Coming up on year 20 with this union (not all at FDX), and I've seen this time and again with ALPA. It's all about the payrates and thinking about "getting ours" during upcoming Section 6. Meanwhile, we've passed up great opportunities right now to fix issues when the Corp. needs our help. To me it's clear - when the Corp. comes to us and needs us - we shouldn't sign a single MOU until all open grievances are resolved, in our favor.

Now, I should say, I've always been focused too much on my life outside of flying - which I love to keep that way - and never really volunteered for ALPA like so many great dudes/dudettes do. With all due respect to those fine folks, to us, we need the IPA, a union with real resolve.
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How'd that go for you for the 12 or so years you spent at other ALPA airlines? All grievances in our favor or no deal?
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How'd that go for you for the 12 or so years you spent at other ALPA airlines?...
While at an ALPA carrier a couple lifetimes ago, we did have a much, much better success rate at winning grievances during arbitration than our absolute losing streak we have here (admittedly, that airline didn't have near the capital, nor legal team, that our Corp. does).

But, at a previous non-ALPA carrier, all outstanding/open grievances (seemed to average 3-4 open grievances at any given time during the year) were actually resolved in our favor, if/when the airline needed something from the pilot group, before we agreed to new 'efficiencies' like our MOU's here.
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...All grievances in our favor or no deal?
As if on cue - while our brothers bust their ass in Asia for pennies on the Millions of dollars being made, and we agree to and sign MOU's without fixing any outstanding issues, from the union's email yesterday:

"ALPA has filed a grievance concerning the Company’s violation of Sections X.X, X.X, X.X, X.X... by not providing deviation bank credit in the amount of the Baseline Fare for a ticket for a back-end deadhead on Company aircraft to base. For the full text, please see Grievance XX-15, from the list of 2020 Grievances found on..."
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While at an ALPA carrier a couple lifetimes ago, we did have a much, much better success rate at winning grievances during arbitration than our absolute losing streak we have here (admittedly, that airline didn't have near the capital, nor legal team, that our Corp. does).

But, at a previous non-ALPA carrier, all outstanding/open grievances (seemed to average 3-4 open grievances at any given time during the year) were actually resolved in our favor, if/when the airline needed something from the pilot group, before we agreed to new 'efficiencies' like our MOU's here.
So you claim we have a low success rate on grievances. So where did you get the percentage we win or loose because I cant find a number. What I did do though is looked at the list of grievances over the last 3 years on the ALPA page and it looks like we are around the 75% win rate. Looks pretty darn good to me.
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As if on cue - while our brothers bust their ass in Asia for pennies on the Millions of dollars being made, and we agree to and sign MOU's without fixing any outstanding issues, from the union's email yesterday:

"ALPA has filed a grievance concerning the Company’s violation of Sections X.X, X.X, X.X, X.X... by not providing deviation bank credit in the amount of the Baseline Fare for a ticket for a back-end deadhead on Company aircraft to base. For the full text, please see Grievance XX-15, from the list of 2020 Grievances found on..."
So should they not file grievances since the company wont give us what we want? Wouldn't that be counterproductive to us trying to get changes? I dont see the correlation between you wanting more money to fly to Asia and grievances.
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So you claim we have a low success rate on grievances. So where did you get the percentage we win or loose because I cant find a number.
Seriously? The correct use of the word would be LOSE!
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