BrianH

Well this does show the complexity of our relationship with our company.

Some things are going to be complicated just because (insight come to mind). Others will be complicated because thats how they are done.

With the union saying we want short duration focused negotiations, the timing of the soft parameter issue could be seen as an unnecessary complication to extend negotiations and to cloud our focus.

Let you reps know how you feel about this unnecessary complication.


Stay focused, stay committed to Best value for all.

FXLAX

You are assuming all of us agree with a focused negotiations. The MEC has already said that that is the plan. Ive done three phone and one internet survey. Apparently, I’m in the minority. So does ALPA speak for me? I support the MEC, even if in the minority. Once the TA comes out, I’ll make another judgement.

BrianH

First off, you have to be kidding, If there are 10 pilots in a room, there are at least 15 different opinions and they are all right! Secondly, awesome job with the surveys. Have you engaged your reps? Attended local council meetings and talked to your rep in person? Waiting until the TA is out for a vote is way too late to let your opinion be heard. Again, an Once of Prevention always beats a Pound of Cure.

Let me be clear. I am not trying to push an agenda I just don't want to see a repeat of '15. Getting involved early does take 1% of your time. But how much time has been waisted since '15? How much harder are we working, how much lower is our Quality of life? Yes people are making more money right now, but at what cost? How long will it last? When we get back to normal, then what?

Having a great contract that treats us professionally and compensates us fairly is what I am after. The Chairman has said he will pay us what he has to, we just keep lowering the bar for him to step over.

So here is my guess on how this is going to go:

The NC chairman will bring out the sections and bargaining positions and the reps will each get two minutes to debate. Then the vote will take place without edit. There will be no compromises as long as there are eight votes for the position (that will be 57%). Also, I expect those votes will already be known before the first word is spoken. If that is what you want, you're good. If you would like more consensus now is your last opportunity to talk to your reps before the April meeting. After that, it will be too late to affect change.

Final thought:

How long has the company been working on its openers? How many thoughts and ideas have been tested for their best value? How far behind are we?

FXLAX

Again, you are making assumptions. I’ve talked everyone one that matters. I’m in the minority. But that doesn’t mean I will automatically be against a TA before I can read it. So now I’ll I can do is wait for the TA, voice my opinion to the person that matters before they decide to send it for ratification or not and wait. If it goes to ratification, I’ll vote accordingly.

What else do you want people to do than to take surveys and tell your rep what you want him to do? At some point, we have to wait and see what the TA says.

You can’t really force people to care about the things you care about. This thread isn’t going to change that.

Noworkallplay

According to the Podcast sent out Friday it appear a very large majority answered the survey that they wanted focused. Im one that supports focused. No need to recreate the wheel, just fix a couple spokes. The wheel isnt broke it just needs minor maintenance.

Almost all pilots say work rules are all important until the survey comes and no one is watching or listening. They then answer money as most important. Our work rules are good and with a couple tweaks could be great. Just tweaks not section rewrites. If you cant get movement in negotiations on work rules then lets get 117. Its not perfect, but protects against the operational duty day limits and numerous other issues others have discussed on this forum.

HooverPilot

I send DARTS and email my rep, I even went to the last local meeting before the COVID. But every time I express a desire/viewpoint counter to what they want to hear, I get an hour long sales job on why pancakes are the future. I think that they decided a long time ago what they were going pursue, regardless of what the membership wants. I just don’t think the union is listening to us.

JunkyardDog

Certain Block Reps (the majority) and the officers are not listening.

USMCFDX

I have done the same and 100% agree with you. PM the chairman loves pancakes and can't be told anything else. Ask if they are still paying the pancake inventor monthly and ask if they have payed any other financial experts with a dissenting opinion. The answers are yes and no.

TonyC

We will exchange Openers 6 months prior to the amendable date. That's 39 days from now.

That's right. We will be IN NEGOTIATIONS in less than 7 weeks.

Our Block Reps need to hear from us NOW.


What's the significance of the 1 year anniversary of our amendable date? By that time, we will have been in RLA Section 6 negotiations for 18 months.






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TonyC

Dreaming ain't so bad.

The issue was addressed at the Executive Council level, again, and the decision was made, again, to disallow Local Council Meetings via teleconference. If we could all be trusted to behave as responsible adults, it might be different.






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