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Old 06-01-2021, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay View Post
So why are most pilots working so hard the way the system is currently set up?? They get no pension credit for making more than 260k, yet most still work extra consistently. We get no credit for YOS over 25 years, but most stay well after. We have no pension penalty for retirement after 60, yet most stay well after 60 even with 25 YOS. So with our current system why are all these things true? By answering these questions above you will completely defunct the argument you just made that a "new calculation" would insensitive pilots to do what they are already doing. False premise argument at its core. Does not match what we do as pilots currently.

To me what the new calculation would do is give you credit for the work you are already doing. It will give you credit for the YOS that the current calculation does not.It doesn't change what most are already doing......

This may all be true, probably not. But even if it is, it will still incentivize more pilots to work more for longer.

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Old 06-01-2021, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMA300 View Post
Ive heard rumors about company kicking up A plan amount also. But what do we have to give for it is the question.


Tony, most of us are convinced but how do we get our leadership on board. Ive tried phone calls and emails and am usually met with harsh resistance.

The premise to the question is incorrect. With leverage, nothing has to be given.
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Old 06-09-2021, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FastBurner View Post
The answer regarding 1,000 hours has been bastardized by Cheiron and union. I linked some examples of variable plans on my website.
https://fedexpilotretirement.wordpre...ble-plan-info/
Focusing solely on the 1000 hours here, your points about work hours qualifying for a Pension in general and quoted are completely accurate.
But, IMO, you are mistaken as to why our Union and Cheiron used 1,000 hours as the basis for the modeler.

1,000 CH's is a standard bench model used for Contract comparisons. If you go back to 2016 and search out Delta's comparison with UPS, you'll find 1,000 hours was used as the work times hourly rate to generate a comparison.
If you look at TA Value comparisons, across the industry, you'll see the estimated value of a TA based on 1,000 credit hours.

IMO-that 1,000 hours likely has it's origin in the FARs. The vast majority of FedEx trips are soft time trips. FedEx pilots accumulate a fraction of the block hours our Pax airline brethren do,
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Old 06-13-2022, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by olly View Post
I was at UAL during negotiations in 1999 for our big Contract 2000. As I recall a simplistic version of documented history, After getting jerked around, USAirways merger, and headed to NMB, 10,000 pilots pretty much worked "just" their schedule- We had a contract within weeks.

YES YES YES!!! Simple
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