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Old 07-04-2021, 04:16 PM
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Tony, most of us are convinced but how do we get our leadership on board. Ive tried phone calls and emails and am usually met with harsh resistance.

ALPA is supposed to be a ground up organization, driven by its members. We each have the power of a single vote. If we cannot change the minds of the people elected to represent us, we may be compelled to change the people who represent us.

My Local Council Reps have not responded to my last e-mail to them asking them what is meant by the term "Defined Benefit" in the Openers Document they endorsed. They can continue to ignore me and refuse to answer, but they cannot ignore the submission of a meeting agenda item to recall them.

My comments above were not a hollow threat. Regrettably, the continued refusal of our Council 22 Reps to communicate honestly and openly about their intentions to replace our "A" Plan, or not, has left me no other choice. Agenda items have been submitted for the Consideration of Recall of FDX Seniority Block Status Representatives 2, 5, and 7.

The MEC is scheduled to meet during the week of July 19-23, and it is thought that they might have a Joint Council Meeting for Memphis local councils and Local Council meetings for Councils, 7, 22, and 26 (all Memphis-based pilots). I asked for the date and place of such a meeting, but that question went unanswered as well. If and when the first Local Council 22 regular meeting is finally held, we will have our chance to be heard. If our elected representatives will not disavow the variable benefit plan by any name and commit to preserving and improving our "A" Plan, then they must be replaced. The first step is recall.

If you want to improve, or at least preserve our "A" Plan, please make plans to attend and vote for recall of any Block Representative who will not commit to the same. If you cannot attend, please find someone who will attend and can carry your proxy. Proxies are done on-line now -- procedures will be discussed later.

Here is what the recall resolutions will probably look like:

Consideration of Recall of FDX Seniority Block Status Representative 2/5/7 Captain RP/Captain RZ/First Officer BW, Council 22 Vice Chairman/Chairman/Secretary Treasurer


SUBJECT: Consideration of Recall of FDX Seniority Block Status Representative 2/5/7 Captain RP/Captain RZ/First Officer BW, Council 22 Vice Chairman/Chairman/Secretary Treasurer

SOURCE: Council 22 Member-at-Large TonyC

BACKGROUND:

The Air Line Pilots Association, International, is designed to be a bottom-up organization. It is the pilots who set the direction of the Association. The elected local council representatives serve as designated ALPA representatives of local council member pilots, and represent the interests of their local council members as a part of the MEC.

When local council representatives fail to represent the interests of their local council members, a normal, orderly process is provided by ALPA’s Constitution and By-Laws to recall those representatives. The process itself follows ALPA’s bottom-up philosophy, being based on majority vote of all members in good standing of the local council.

The local council representatives of FDX Local Council 22 have failed and are continuing to fail to represent the interests of the members of their local council with regards to Railway Labor Act Section Six negotiations of an amendment to their Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) with FedEx Express, particularly with regard to negotiating improvements to our Defined Benefit Retirement benefit.

The local council representatives of FDX Local Council 22 have failed to solicit and receive the opinions and wishes of local council members by approving the use of poll and survey questions which are poisoned with conditions and caveats such as “regardless of the mechanism” that prevent, discourage, and obfuscate the clear and direct communication of precise intentions with regards to improving the FedEx Pilots’ Pension Plan, commonly referred to as the “A” Plan or the “Defined Benefit Plan.”

The local council representatives of FDX Local Council 22 have chosen to supplant the wishes of the local council members who elected them with the opinions of non-elected committee volunteers referred to as subject matter experts (SMEs). While the advice of such subject matter experts should be considered, it should not outweigh the wants and desires of the members who elect the representatives.

The local council representatives of FDX Local Council continue to fail to adequately represent the members who elected them by refusing to explain the meaning of “Defined Benefit” as used in the Contract 2021 Section 6 Opener document and associated written communications. After pushing the Variable Benefit Plan initially and for several years, and after later renaming it the “Pilots Stabilized Pension Plan,” it is unclear whether the term “Defined Benefit” as used in the Openers document and associated written communications is a new name or new way of referring to the variable benefit plan which would replace our “A” Plan, or a commitment to improving the “A” Plan currently provided by our CBA. The two paths are vastly different, and the members of Local Council 22 have a right to know which path the Negotiating Committee has been directed or authorized to pursue. An overwhelming majority of the members of Local Council 22 are opposed to ending the “A” Plan and would be opposed to any efforts by the Negotiating Committee to do so, but the local council representatives stubbornly refuse to inform the members of which path is being pursued.

In order to adequately represent the members of Local Council 22, the local council representatives must be replaced by representatives who will be faithful in soliciting and receiving inputs from the members and acting in harmony with those wants and needs. The first step of this process is recall of local council officers.


PROPOSED RESOLUTION:

WHEREAS The Air Line Pilots Association, International, is designed to be a bottom-up organization, with pilots who set the direction of the Association and elect local council representatives who represent those pilots’ interests as a part of the MEC.

WHEREAS Seniority Block Status Representative 2/5/7 Captain RP/Captain RZ/First Officer BW, Council 22 Vice Chairman/Chairman/Secretary Treasurer, has failed to solicit and receive clear and unfiltered input from local council members by approving the use of poll and survey questions poisoned with conditions and caveats such as “regardless of the mechanism” that prevent, discourage, or obfuscate the clear and direct communication of precise intentions with regards to improving the FedEx Pilots’ Pension Plan, commonly referred to as the “A” Plan or the “Defined Benefit Plan”, and

WHEREAS Captain P/Captain Z/First Officer W has chosen to supplant the wishes of the local council members who elected him with the opinions of non-elected committee volunteers referred to as subject matter experts (SMEs), whose advice should be considered, but should not outweigh the wants and desires of the members who elect the representatives, and

WHEREAS Captain P/Captain Z/First Officer W refuses to explain the meaning of “Defined Benefit” as used in the Contract 2021 Section 6 Opener document and associated written communications so that after having had the FDX MEC and FDX MEC Negotiating Committee for many years now push the Variable Benefit Plan initially, and later rename it the “Pilots Stabilized Pension Plan,” now makes it unclear whether the term “Defined Benefit” as used in the Opener document and associated written communications is a new way of referring to the variable benefit plan which would replace our “A” Plan, or a commitment to improving the “A” Plan currently provided by our CBA, and

WHEREAS as the two paths improving our “A” Plan or replacing our “A” Plan are vastly different and the members of Local Council 22 have a right to know which path the Negotiating Committee has been directed or authorized to pursue, and

WHEAREAS an overwhelming majority of the members of Local Council 22 are opposed to ending the “A” Plan and would be opposed to any efforts by the Negotiating Committee to do so, but the local council representatives stubbornly refuse to inform the members of which path is being pursued.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, In accordance with ALPA’s Constitution and By-Laws Article III, Section 2.F., the FDX Local Council 22 requests the Vice President-Administration/Secretary to initiate and circulate a ballot among the Active members of FDX Local Council 22 for the removal of Seniority Block Status Representative 2/5/7 Captain RP/Captain RZ/First Officer BW, said ballot to be conducted under Association Voting Procedures.

I wish it had not come to this, but we can't just wait and see if they can negotiate an end to our "A" Plan and THEN vote against it. Not only would that be a waste of our time and money, the delay would wear on our patience and result in many people accepting far less than we deserve and which we are capable of achieving NOW. We need to get this train on the right track pointed in the right direction from the start. It's time to step up and make our VOTES heard.





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Old 07-04-2021, 04:29 PM
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Regrettably, I have but one vote to cast per item, but those votes will have to be for my council. By the way, our council and block membership will be reshuffled with our new seniority numbers as of the first of Jul. Some will be moving councils others will remain where they are. The process can take several weeks to implement.

It is time to know where your current and new reps stand on this cornerstone issue. "significant Improvement to our retirement"

Those that support our wishes have our support, those who don't, don't.
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Old 07-09-2021, 12:22 PM
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You can see by the response on here how much support you have in this endeavor.
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Old 07-09-2021, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot View Post
You can see by the response on here how much support you have in this endeavor.
Just because the non FedEx trolls haven't replied here doesn't mean there is support or non support.

Not in my block but I support it as written.
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Old 07-09-2021, 04:46 PM
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What I don’t get is the secrecy, how a few people are able to control the process for thousands of pilots. What is in it for them? Call me naive, isn’t easier to be clear?
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Old 07-10-2021, 02:48 AM
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My understanding of the secrecy centers around not laying all cards on the table, in public, during contract negotiations. And frankly, I support it.

I also realize that others may vote differently based on past experiences at this airline and other airlines. This is how the system is supposed to work, right? I don't fault others for having different perspectives on family, investing, commuting, lie flat seats, bidding, etc.

I'm willing to let the process work. I don't normally don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. Roughly 35% of the seniority list has been hired since the last contract. Opinions on the new retirement plan are wildly varied from pilots I fly with, and also my vintage hire dates. I will see the details in the TA, and vote my mind from there. Seems straightforward to me.

This perspective is not designed to inflame or negate others views on here. TonyC, I can see where you're coming from buddy. You seem like a smart dude. That doesn't mean I'm inclined to agree with everything you say. That's no personal attack either...we can disagree! I appreciate your union work and detail-oriented thought processes you share on here. You're one of the few non mud-slinging brainless posters on here. I'll see what the TA says and make my decision from there.
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Originally Posted by DirtyPurple View Post
My understanding of the secrecy centers around not laying all cards on the table, in public, during contract negotiations. And frankly, I support it.

I also realize that others may vote differently based on past experiences at this airline and other airlines. This is how the system is supposed to work, right? I don't fault others for having different perspectives on family, investing, commuting, lie flat seats, bidding, etc.

I'm willing to let the process work. I don't normally don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. Roughly 35% of the seniority list has been hired since the last contract. Opinions on the new retirement plan are wildly varied from pilots I fly with, and also my vintage hire dates. I will see the details in the TA, and vote my mind from there. Seems straightforward to me.

This perspective is not designed to inflame or negate others views on here. TonyC, I can see where you're coming from buddy. You seem like a smart dude. That doesn't mean I'm inclined to agree with everything you say. That's no personal attack either...we can disagree! I appreciate your union work and detail-oriented thought processes you share on here. You're one of the few non mud-slinging brainless posters on here. I'll see what the TA says and make my decision from there.
If you don't think the Pancake Plan was in the openers you are naive. FDX ALPA has sent checks totaling close to a million dollars to a company that thinks this plan is awesome. They have had multiple briefs form them and my understanding is they have been on a continual retainer.

Unless FedEx thinks the Pancake Plan is more expensive than other options to improve or retirement, it will be in a TA.
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Old 07-10-2021, 12:24 PM
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Can I have an Amen!
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Old 07-10-2021, 04:00 PM
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‘Unless FedEx thinks the Pancake Plan is more expensive than other options to improve or retirement, it will be in a TA“

Maybe that has been the plan all along! Give them an option that’s more expensive. Reverse psychology! It’s a theory!
I’ve seen crazier things happen.
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX View Post
If you don't think the Pancake Plan was in the openers you are naive. FDX ALPA has sent checks totaling close to a million dollars to a company that thinks this plan is awesome. They have had multiple briefs form them and my understanding is they have been on a continual retainer.

Unless FedEx thinks the Pancake Plan is more expensive than other options to improve or retirement, it will be in a TA.
it’s absolutely in there.
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