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Old 10-20-2021 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform
Wasn’t the 777 supposed to be the MD11 replacement? What happened?
What happened was a substantial business increase. This created the need for all of those airplanes plus an additional 80 to 100 airplanes over the next 5-7 years. That’s why they made the 76 additional 20 airframes announcement as well as 50 more options.

We take delivery of almost 50 WB airplanes over the next 3.5 years assuming no further announcements of aircraft orders. These are additional airplanes not replacements.
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Old 10-20-2021 | 11:32 AM
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What happened was a substantial business increase. This created the need for all of those airplanes plus an additional 80 to 100 airplanes over the next 5-7 years. That’s why they made the 76 additional 20 airframes announcement as well as 50 more options.

We take delivery of almost 50 WB airplanes over the next 3.5 years assuming no further announcements of aircraft orders. These are additional airplanes not replacements.

According to the latest 10Q, the dozen or so 10-30s are supposed to be parked by June.

Although I’ve heard that there are 3 MD11s coming on line.
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Old 10-20-2021 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
I’ve heard that there are 3 MD11s coming on line.
Even more when we buy Western Global 😂
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Old 10-20-2021 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
Even more when we buy Western Global

Of course, that’s how we get 747s as well.
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Old 10-20-2021 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
According to the latest 10Q, the dozen or so 10-30s are supposed to be parked by June.

Although I’ve heard that there are 3 MD11s coming on line.

As I stated above the 10q has almost 50 WB growth airframes in the next 3.5 years. This accounts for the retired -30 airframes. So if they keep the -30 we have more than 50.
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Old 10-20-2021 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
As I stated above the 10q has almost 50 WB growth airframes in the next 3.5 years. This accounts for the retired -30 airframes. So if they keep the -30 we have more than 50.

Well, your previous post specifically said those aircraft orders were growth. Presumably they replace the dozen outgoing 10-30s within the next 3.5 years.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Well, your previous post specifically said those aircraft orders were growth. Presumably they replace the dozen outgoing 10-30s within the next 3.5 years.
The growth numbers account for the planned retirement of airframes. These are additional airframes from what we currently have. I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. Look at the chart, it shows the planned retirement and deliveries. Then a net gain number. Simple.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform
Wasn’t the 777 supposed to be the MD11 replacement? What happened?
Not sure how far you are referring. But yes, at one point the 777 was supposed to be a MD replacement. The plan was dedicated 777Fs to replace the International/Long Haul MDs. MD-10-10/-30 and Domestic MD-11s would be replaced by 777-200/-200ERs Passenger to Freighters Conversions. They ran into issues getting the P2F to be financially/engineering workable. They said it was unfeasible and stuck with buying dedicated Freighters.

Obviously with the P2Fs starting now they figured it out, but that the story as it was told 10-13 years ago when the 777 first came to us.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
The growth numbers account for the planned retirement of airframes. These are additional airframes from what we currently have. I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. Look at the chart, it shows the planned retirement and deliveries. Then a net gain number. Simple.

Yeah, really clear on the chart. Not so much from your previous post. In other words, not all orders yet to be delivered are purely growth, as you seemed to insinuate.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
According to the latest 10Q, the dozen or so 10-30s are supposed to be parked by June.

Although I’ve heard that there are 3 MD11s coming on line.
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