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A buddy said that the past predicts the future at the table of negotiations. They lowball us, we midball them, the rich get richer on the backs of our labor, and we get enough to take out a nice mortgage in the suburbs. But the past has zero precedent on the sheeot of today. Asking for concessions, delaying a TA, playing us like it was yesterday at a time when our layovers were longer and our workdays shorter, when today from city to city we get the pleasure of experiencing their version of a lockdown, country to country, restaurants closed here’s your catering, same catering as yesterday and the day before, you are welcome, good job, atta boy, keep up the good work … are you eff’ing kidding me? Really? Half the country sits at home collecting free money and we’re delivering them free sheeot and fine, happy to do so … pay us! Do not insult us! Pay us! It ain’t yesterday. Yesterday is dead. Pay Us!! Yes. You! we all know you read these forums to get a feel for the opposition, and lets be honest here, that’s exactly how you see us, as the opposition and not a part of the team. Fine. I’ll tell you how we feel. Fatigued. To the bone. Pay Us!

Although I feel like I’m reading Hunter S. Thompson I 1000% agree with everything you said!


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Well said.

Can't wait to exercise my right to vote.

I 100% agree with everything you said. The company sees us picking up AVA and accepting draft trips as a sign we’re still willing to sell each other out for a few more dollars. The union leaders don’t seem to care what the pilot group thinks and they are also willing to sell us out for a few more dollars. It’s the most bizarre company/union relationship I’ve ever experienced.

I thought Fred was really pro pilot? Didn't he always take the attitude of "if you take care of me, I'll take care of you?" Seems like you guys have to fight for your contact just as hard as everybody else.

No, no so much.

Here is just one of the many Red Letters - I encourage all FedEx pilots to read them all found here - FDX Pilot History Timeline


"with or without you"
http://fdx.alpa.org/portals/26/docs/...17,%201998.pdf

This. Please, please to all new hires, especially the military guys, read the red letter and history timeline.

Thanks for posting the link. I don't think I ever read the letter, it just ****ed off a lot of pilots. A lot of bluffing in Fred's threats.

Very well said.

There are a ton of young pilots - educate!

WELL SAID!!!!!!! Couldn’t agree more

When will the new contract be out to vote upon?

If past history is any indicator, it will be two years after the amendable date.

You will get 3% and like it, but they will change the work rules so they recoup the increase over the life of the contract in six months, and brag about it on the investor's call.

The NC will say it's the best deal we can get, then after it is signed, it will be clear that we got played once again.

Oh, and the "lie flat seats" clause won't affect our first class deadhead tickets. We've seen how that lie played out, haven't we?

If you trust the NC to overhaul your retirement with the pancake plan, you've been locked in too many hotel rooms for too long.

If the pancake plan is in the deal, it is an automatic no vote from me, and should be from everyone.

I don't see any good news in our future unless the TA is voted down, the MEC resigns, and the new MEC actually agrees to listen to the membership, instead of pushing their own agendas.

Years from now.

That’s why the 2015 TA should have been DOA. A 6 year agreement is really an 8 year agreement. I spoke with the NC during one of their roadshow presentations about the lie-flat seat language in the TA. They told us all the old contract language is still there. You will still have your bank, etc. I told them to read the TA like a lawyer. The lie-flat language was inserted above the old language and the old language becomes subordinate to the new lie-flat language.

Our NC and lawyers should have caught that, but they didn't, because they were not smart enough and got played. Based on that example, I don't trust them to negotiate a completely new retirement system, especially one where the value of a pancake is not defined until the day you retire.

You know ALPA does nothing for retirees, don't you? Do you think anyone will help when you get screwed out of your retirement?

Don't trust the pancake plan. Vote no for any pancake retirement!

Truest statement ever. Can't collect dues from retirees... so why bother? ALPA just wants your money. They don't care about your comfort, your days off, or your retirement quality.

Even though I see and feel like FedEx pilots are much more united than they were in 2005, make no mistake, there are many among us who will sell us out in a heartbeat.

I have a feeling we're going to see a contract much sooner than we think. Why? Every other airline but UPS is in contract negotiations. FedEx doesn't want to go last because then it will give FedEx pilots something to benchmark against. If we go first, management gets to lock us in lower wages for the life of the contract while ALPA gets to brag how we had an "industry leading contract" all of about a few months -- just like in 2015.

Isn’t retirement for us as retirees at some point? Isn’t that one of the main items we are going after in this round of negotiations?

Now who looks stupid? YOU

Wrong again! You’re still the stupid in the room! It’s like a game of tag, and the slow one, you, are always “IT!”

So you are not going to retire at some point? Retirement money is deferred compensation. It benefits every current pilot when they retire. Simple

My favorite FWS quote from the Nov 1995 red letter, just for all of those guys that don't seem to get which side they're on:

"In fact, the vast majority of our pilots have continued to serve our customers through volunteer and overtime flying during the negotiating period, and we greatly appreciate their loyalty and support."

If you have any doubt which side of the negotiating table benefits from the greedy, Fred spelled it out right there - and even says thanks!

Merle

I wonder what color it’s gonna be this time.

We wont get to that point.

Yes, it is a common union-busting technique to try and get us infighting instead of focused as a common, unified group.

Exactly. And don't be surprised when other crewmembers mention the scheduler added note "willing to extend" on your schedule.