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Just finished a trip a few days ago with a guy that bragged about dropping all his trips and doing draft all month. His big trips started next week and the following week. I just checked his calendar and he had to go out Covid NOQ. Guess what trips are not pay protected under the CBA or Medical agreement? AVA and Draft. Haha, he gets less than guarantee now. Karma has a way of getting back at these types. If only he had flown his line he would be fully pay protected.

Beside the whole dropping and flying draft issue, this is another horrible work rule. Pilots should be pay protected at least to straight pay.

Its tough to defend that when it would only incentivize people to do it more during negotiations every time we are in negotiations. So do we want to incentivize more people to do it?

Hi, I'm non-FW scum who reads through the forums learning about airlines. Was this a technique that's used to minimize the days you're required to work (giving up the minimum hour pay) in favor of jumping on flights on his days off so he'll get overtime pay? I know you guys don't call it overtime, sorry.

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From an MEC communication today....

"Do not confront your fellow pilots with regards to contractually legal choices they make with their schedules."

how is he doing draft or Ava more than 7 days in the future

Huh? I missed this - can you post it please.

That's fine. "People don't forget."

AGREE! Those names will be remembered. Cant erase the human brain.

LEC 22 email. I think it is also on the union website.

OP doesn’t work here. He’s a 15 yr old troll. Closest thing he has to a girlfriend are his grandma’s cats. Pretty sure he might be a Denny’s dishwasher at BQN.

He did AVA at 7 days prior on a big trip that starts this week and goes almost to end of month. Simple

Now he gets paid zero for it. Got what he deserves

Cats have more sense than that - and I hate cats.

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I understand what you are saying. But none of our work rules have a clause in them that make them different when in negotiations, which I’m all for by the way. In general, this is a bad work rule. It would be better if we were pay protected at straight pay for any trip once it’s on our calendar if it’s removed at no fault of the pilot.

I wish we held guarantee for all trips at assignment and not at block out like we do on the premium pay trips. But it is something you know ahead of time. If you want the guarantee fly your schedule.

Now on the COVID rules - yep absolutely - CO should be guaranteeing all trips at assignment if removed for COVID positive...and close contacts while on a trip.

Would this not be rewarding those who do drop and draft? Unintended consequences? Like many have pointed out, do rules like these incentivize those to work harder and for more money? Look at the notorious group doing draft. They don't just do 10 days of it a month. They do 20+ days a month.

How about rules that incentivize those who fly there line and don't chase money. Lets get paid more for what we do, not have to work harder for it.

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Really? Is that the excuse you are going to make? We know all work rules ahead of time. That doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t be improved. Otherwise one can use that excuse for not making anything better. Well you knew ahead of time what the rules or so we should event change the rules…

Draft, AVA, picking up open time, voluntary extensions, selling vacation, etc all incentivize that. Are you against all those rules and others as well? What we should negotiate is to turn those things off when we enter section 6.

Improve work rules for those flying their line not those acting like a street corner girl.

I thought you only objected to that during negotiations.

No, I like to improve the baseline for the normal guys. Not the “high achievers”. Turning off all the extras during bargaining is a great idea.

Yeah, the troll bragged about making over $350k as a 4 year NB captain in 2020. The company was even buying up lines in the 75 as late as June 2020, so I guess we know who the greedy guy is.

Exactly this.

Pushes job action during negotiations...check

shames fellow pilots for schedule maneuvers allowed by contract...check

pushes pancake plan...check

advocates for the “benefits” of substitution...check

states that we should not expect all gains on contract and some concession are normal...check

touts slg/pbs as a gain...check

Clear as mud? Quit wasting your time.

In my humble opinion, you are NOT a fdx pilot. though you do have access to privileged info. So you do work for the company, but in what capacity? Obviously, you aren’t too worried about getting fired, given your calls for illegal job actions. Shucks, even your name is a dig at pilots, how we are all no work and all play. Trying to instigate pilots into calling one another out for working what you call “extra flying”. Who the F are you to monitor anyones calendar? Trying in some weird way to garner kinship with things of this job that you believe we can all agree on, only to then attempt to persuade us into accepting things that we shouldn’t accept. Or maybe you are a pilot. I have flown with a number of idiots! my opinion only. I could be wrong. Loser!

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that nowork is the most annoying poster on the FDX forums. Maybe he is uniting us after all!

NoWork started this ‘Karma’ thread - How’s this for Karma?

Admin/Moderator:

The poster known as Noworkallplay claims to be a FedEx pilot. He/she has turned the FedEx forum into something resembling a cesspool with advocating for illegal work actions, this person has celebrated a fellow pilot losing a months worth of pay as a result of doing something that is contractually allowed (either that, or they made it up), this poster is constantly being disrespectful to other posters by calling them names, and most recently I feel this poster who goes by Noworkallplay has crossed a serious line with threatening other members who don’t comply with his/her demands that that their names will be remembered. It’s a head scratcher to me that these posts are being tolerated/allowed on this site.

I am requesting that this poster be vetted by the administration/moderator of this site to establish if they actually are a FedEx pilot in the first place, and if not then their account should be immediately suspended. If this poster actually is a FedEx pilot their account should still be immediately suspended for violating APC conduct rules.

Im a victim screams the notorious posters after another poster disagrees.

Saying you will remember the names is not a threat. It was said by two other posters also. Events are remembered by human brains. We remember an array of things every day.

This statement that those who disagree with me “are not FedEx pilots” is laughable. The same posters use this nonsense on numerous people when they disagree. Same old trick.

I have never advocated for a job action. I have made observations. It sounds like we have a few who have a guilty conscious.

This forum is dominated by a few notorious users who have degraded people who feel differently on subjects varying from retirement to how we are paid. Yet when some disagrees with them they cry foul and call in the admin. Shameful

Numerous times I have posted facts from the CBA/MOU/LOAs, etc. While many on this forum really on deceitfulness and conjecture.

Whatever you say Nowork …

I’ll wait for the Administrator/Moderator of this site to determine what your conduct on this site amounts to, and they can take the action they feel is appropriate.

This forum has been dominated by you, of the bad grammar brigade.

do i have you quote you? really? really? i mean honestly? you’ve made observations? uh huh. sure.

and it’s not about disagreements. it's about YOU assuming the victim when folks disagree with YOU! it’s about you having had multiple opportunities to prove yourself, and you not doing so. it’s about a lot of little things you’ve gotten wrong. it’s about your deliberate decisiveness. your arrogance. you should go away. but then you the victim will say that because you disagree with me that i’m trying to cancel you. news flash: you’ve canceled yourself. pilots see your name on here and roll their eyes wondering what kind of nonsense you’ll have for us this time. in my opinion. i could be wrong.

SHACK.


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