FDX1

Totally disagree. Other posters to your thread understand what just occurred. Clearly, you are having trouble seeing the strategy.

Expedited mediation was well played - excellent timing. Progress was still being made back in May 2022 as the NC grid clearly shows.

it would have been foolish to ask for mediation (traditional or expedited) while good progress was still being made in direct negotiations.

Politics injected into this by some are self serving and lowered my views on the candidate.

pinseeker

We can agree to disagree.

This was not well played! We got played, just like 2011.

There were only 12 sections opened for these Section 6 negotiations. We are now in our 18th month of negotiations. If the expedited negotiations were played well by anyone, it was the company. Now, we wait for the NMB to review the filing, assign a mediator, schedule individual meeting with both sides to hear their positions, and then set up an aggressive set of meetings to hopefully come to an agreement. How long do you think that will take? Do you think all of that will be done before December?

In April, we were down to a couple of items in two sections, plus the big three money sections, and duration of the agreement. The company gave just enough to make the MEC think that they could get an agreement soon. Then the MEC said that they needed to see an agreement by the end of August or they would start taking other steps. Now October is here and they are asking for expedited mediation. That is no guarantee of an agreement. Then what happens if there is no agreement. More time is wasted. When we were down to so few items in May, instead of agreeing to more sessions, we should have made that request. If something wasn't done by the end of August, the MEC should have been asking for a strike vote. They continually state that the company hasn't changed our retirement since 1998. What makes them or any of us think that they are going to make a change for us without a fight. Our leverage is our peak shipping season. If shippers are afraid that we may be allowed or are in favor of striking, they will make other plans. The share holders would not be happy. There would be more urgency to get a deal done. But instead, the MEC got strung along. Now we have been placed in holding just waiting for an updated EFC.

HvypurplePylot

So you are thinking traditional mediation with more outstanding items would have put us ahead of the other pilot groups that have been in contract talks for YEARS who by all accounts from the internet experts are also getting played? All the experts are on here and all the people that get played are at the table, at every airline, according to the internet. The playing field isn’t level, that’s not the fault of our negotiators.
We are YEARS away from a strike, this peak season was never in jeopardy. IMHO the global economic situation and satisfying the new board is more on the mind of management than the contract of 1% of the global employees.

pinseeker

Who said anything about traditional mediation? We should have asked for expedited mediation in May instead of continuing to add more dates every month. We did not have that many more items left at that time than we do now.

As for FedEx vs other airlines, which us had more flying because of COVID and which one was offering early retirements and paying pilot 50% of their pay to stay home?

If you think we are YEARS away from a strike, then why let the company slow walk us to that point? I never said that we would be allowed to strike this year, only that a vote could have been taken before we entered peak. The optics of 95% of the pilots voting to strike during the busiest part of the year would not have played well with the investors, customers, or new board. Only 12 sections were opened, and only 8 have been TA'd in 18 months. So who is getting played?

Reese

What in Sam nation are you talking about?? Do you even look at the negotiator’s grid???

Running list of sections TA’d by month:

August ‘21: 26
Dec ‘21: 26, 7
Mar ‘22: 26, 7, 21, 12

4 sections TA’d at end of April, with sec 5 shelved. But YOUR grid must be showing 7 sections TA’d with two shelved?

let me continue…
Jun ‘22: 26, 7, 21, 12, 4, 25

section 3 was shelved May 18th, to add to Sec 5.

so at the end of July, 3 months after April, we are still short of whatever your grid says…

Let me continue, because again, you must not be looking at same grid as me…

Aug ‘22: 26, 7, 21, 12, 4, 25, 8, 1
8 of 12 sections TA’d with 2 more shelved, leaving 4 money sections to TA.

Sep 14th: company term sheet
Sept 15th: ALPA
sept 20th: Company
sept 21st: ALPA
sept 22: company

we stopped negotiations after Sept 22’d and notified the company a week later we’d be filing for mediation

pinseeker

I'm sorry, did I say which sections were TA'd or how many were TA'd? No! There are other sources of information than just the grid.

HvypurplePylot

ok.

filler

Noworkallplay

Please, all knowing God run for a position so we can all bow down to your all knowing knowledge of what should be done. Seriously

You sound like a self pronounced king. Is that you Mr. Putin?

Noworkallplay

That is not accurate per the Negotiations Grid or NC updates.

You must not be a FedEx pilot. Any FedEx pilot can debunk this with the contract negotiations website as others have posted. Are you a fake?

Shaman

We played ourselves.


We cannot win because the vast majority of this group refuses to accept that this is a fight. That most assuredly includes the head of the NC and the MEC.

We sauntered into these negotiations with this notion of a willing partner on the other side of the table. WTH anyone would believe that is beyond comprehension.

We've been shown time and a again who and what they value, but refuse to believe them when the tell us the first time.


Our leadership thinks that if we offer them a good deal they will thank us for being so reasonable and reciprocate. Pancakes anyone?!! How'd that work out?


We discourage each other from calling out the selfish actions of individuals out of FEAR of a retaliatory action from the company. The company isn't doing that WE ARE.


Now here we are weakness on display hoping that a Mediator will see it our way.


It would be funny if it also weren't so pathetic.