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Old 12-30-2022, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Yeah, I'm throwing the BS flag on this one. Which major and what aircraft. Less than 18 months there and already making what a WB captain makes at Fedex. Must be working that street corner where ever they are.

Working the street corner is the new normal in the airline industry to include FedEx. It’s the reason we all take 4 years to get contracts.
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Old 12-30-2022, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
Holding a captain bid at 18 months as a FedEx pilot means you’ll receive your first captain paycheck 4 years later.
Fake News

I upgraded at 2.5 years. Years later my PE upgraded in under 2 years.

And we’re not rare exceptions. Every time pilots senior to us bypassed our Training slots for whatever reason (not the time of year they wanted to go to training, waiting to realize their best seniority, waiting to bid the following year’s vacation, etc.). Can’t blame that on the CBA or FedEx. Those were personal preferences.

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Old 12-30-2022, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Hold
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I upgraded at 2.5 years. Years later my PE upgraded in under 2 years.

And we’re not rare exceptions. Every time pilots senior to us bypassed our Training slots for whatever reason (not the time of year they wanted to go to training, waiting to realize their best seniority, waiting to bid the following year’s vacation, etc.). Can’t blame that on the CBA or FedEx. Those were personal preferences.
Maybe that was true before c2015. it’s different now.
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Old 12-30-2022, 06:21 PM
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Maybe that was true before c2015. it’s different now.

No it’s not. It’s the normal now. Prior to C15 you couldn’t pick your training date. You trained in seniority order, regardless of training date preference. Get your facts straight. You are quite the mouth, yet know no history. Tell us how DAL does training… oh wait for it….. The company picks the date, many times with less than 2 weeks notice. Oh oh oh and they do big long term bids that span over a year…. We get two bid periods worth of notice and you bid what your seniority can hold. Isn’t that what seniority is for???????

We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.

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Old 12-30-2022, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
No it’s not. It’s the normal now. Prior to C15 you couldn’t pick your training date. You trained in seniority order, regardless of training date preference. Get your facts straight. You are quite the mouth, yet know no history. Tell us how DAL does training… oh wait for it….. The company picks the date, many times with less than 2 weeks notice. Oh oh oh and they do big long term bids that span over a year…. We get two bid periods worth of notice and you bid what your seniority can hold. Isn’t that what seniority is for???????

We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
I belive delta has <4 75/67 CA in jfk
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Old 12-30-2022, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Yeah, I'm throwing the BS flag on this one. Which major and what aircraft. Less than 18 months there and already making what a WB captain makes at Fedex. Must be working that street corner where ever they are.
Like I said, don’t have a dog in the fight. But published UA Y2 rates on 75/76 (covers -400 pays WB rate) is 269-325 (-400). Those numbers predate the unilateral 5% raise, which bumps that number. The published FedEx Y2 WB rate is 307, is that accurate? Not at either place, and I hope that these numbers raise everyone’s boats!
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Yeah, I'm throwing the BS flag on this one. Which major and what aircraft. Less than 18 months there and already making what a WB captain makes at Fedex. Must be working that street corner where ever they are.
Have you seen our line values on the domestic side? Multiply min guarantee by our WB scale and you shouldn’t be too surprised to hear this
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Old 12-30-2022, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
You have gone full dipshnit now. What numbers are you using? Why don’t you compare the guy hired here 18 months ago that also holds a captain bid? Now add in work rules and retirement as well as vacation. You have to be full-blown nitwit to come up with your conclusion. This doesn’t even assume our new contract that will eventually happen. Get real!!!
hmmmm….I guess math like 325>307 is just one more of the many things your post history has demonstrated is beyond your limited skill set…poor baby

whatever you’ve called me, unlike you, at least I’m not an *********

and when I said I hope everyone’s boats rise, I’m excluding yours, putz … now go back to mom’s basement

sorry everyone else, please go back to regular programming
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The latest rumor from someone claiming to be in the know, is that the company hasn’t even agreed to give us UPS pay rates when it looks like the big 3 will be way above that. Meanwhile, JetBlue captains will be making more than FedEx widebody captains. Based on the PUB call and the joint counsel meeting adding a resolution to begin strike vote education, I think it’s pretty clear that the union leadership is expecting an impasse in mediation. Our management is showing what they think of us and it does not bode well for the long term prospects of the company. So much for PSP. The new management thinks it stands for profit, service, people. When the employees are put last, then service suffers, and profits will decline. The only way this management sees a fix is cutting costs which further hurts the workers and the service. The brand is already taking a beating… along with the packages.
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Old 12-31-2022, 03:12 AM
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With Tapatalk not functioning for APC, I've barely been checking the site. Tough break I guess.

Looks like I only missed the same few guys screaming into the void.

Anyone who ever thought a faceless company "cared" about them was lying to themselves. We signed up to mitigate risk for airline flight operations. Any delusions of grandeur beyond that is useless self-inflation. I'm thankful for my position as a well payed cog in the machine. I'm also a resounding YES on a strike vote, as this is the only useful tool provided under the RLA process. I try to be emotionless about it; sometimes I get rolled up in unwanted trip extensions as we all do. But then I remind myself--I'm a faceless cog in a machine that is replaceable with automation as soon as technology allows it. I also don't think robots will be taking any flying jobs in my lifetime (reference B737 Max debacle setting that timeline back decades). But I digress. Emotional decisions never seem to work out well for me. Many of my classmates / contemporaries are in a similar emotionless calculus - bring on the strike vote, we're ready for it. Show me a TA; I'll evaluate the entire document on its merits. Until then, I'll just fly my line as a cog.

I see the necessary evil of unions & CBAs as simply business. The company is making a business decision by extending the RLA process as long as possible. I have already made a simple business decision that I will vote YES for a strike. I was never expecting hugs and kisses from a overjoyed employer. I signed up for career long stability in the cargo industry, and so far, that's what I've experienced.

With all this talk of new hires leaving, is there any mention of FedEx's position in pattern bargaining? FedEx is 7 years into our contract, and the new Delta AIP aside, nearly every airline has had new contracts since we closed our last CBA. So it's really not surprising that hustlers at other outfits can out earn a FedEx pilot. Once FedEx gets a new CBA, then we'll really know where we stand in the pattern. Until then, lamenting that a 7 year old contract isn't currently the best deal is not news.
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