StarClipper

Delta TA should be out next week, I’m guessing hence the the company decision to TA the retirement section and have meetings scheduled from the 17th. Reality is starting to sink. They’re trying to get as much TA’d before Delta’s is released. Hope the union don’t fall for it.
If you sell me a **** Entree’ regardless of how tasty the dessert looks, I’ll send it back to the kitchen.

FXLAX

We already know DALPA’s retirement section AIP. They have a market based cash balance plan that goes into effect in October and the AIP increases their DC to 18%.

BertMacklinFBI

Ya. We No some of the bold points already. What is ALPA falling for? May have been a good thing we didn’t get a contract when we had all that leverage….deltas TA likely would’ve blown it out of the water. Still might! 😳

Noworkallplay

18% at DOS+3. 2026. How does that help the guys with 7-10 years left? It doesn’t. They did not get the top item they wanted MBCBP. Read the DAL forum. Many are in a tirade over it. DC only plans are trash compared to our A/B plan mix. Less qualified money with DC only. Ask your financial advisor. That was the largest item they wanted and got none of it. Most at DAL don’t even get cash over cap due to minuscule amount of pilots on top pay rate. They also didn’t get our credit per day or vacation. These also were high on their openers list. Ask your buddies from DAL to send you the opening DOC. Then add in avg daily guarantee, PBS and very few even ever able to achieve top pay rate and you get the picture. Not Apples to Apples. More like Apples to coconuts. Do you want to take everything Delta has? Or are we just cherry picking…… Let’s see the actual language when it is released. I bet many perspectives on those bullet points will change drastically. I have seen a bullet point doc at a previous legacy prior and they definitely don’t paint the whole picture. Let’s just keep speculating though.

UnusualAttitude

Far more will be at the top of the pay scale with this agreement. A330 and 767-400 being brought up to A350 pay scale.

Flownit

I believe it’s something like 60% over the cap as is, before new contract and it’s included raises and increased DC. That’s why there was a desire for some
way to tax-advantage the excess. It isn’t minuscule and limited to top rate aircraft.

FXLAX

What does anything you just wrote have anything to do with what I wrote? I simply said we know they are getting an extra 2%. We don’t need full TA language for that.

Anyway, what’s wrong with cherry picking? Are you one of those, what will we give up to get something, pilot? We need to get that mentality out of our heads already. FedEx is different, which is why we should be cherry picking. Do you disagree with that last statement?

Noworkallplay

I added context to your very simplistic DC plan post.

FedEx is different in some aspects. It’s as simple as a contract is negotiated as a whole not on one item or just a few items. You get the WHOLE CBA and anything else that might not be as good. Not just the few good items. That’s why you vote on the whole contract and not just certain parts. I am going to buy bitcoin and I only want my account value to go up on positive days. I don’t want it to go down on negative days. Not how it works. You don’t want to take the good and bad then you must sell or don’t buy in the first place.

So do want the WHOLE DAL contract?

Say goodbye to our pension plan, vacation, pay per day, all WB on one scale, line
bidding and conflicting, min monthly credit, etc.

Noworkallplay

Define far more……

Even with the changes my math come up with 15% of DAL pilots on top widebody rates if the fleet count number on the DAL page is correct.

They also slope down the fleet variants for smaller widebody. At FDX We pay all WB the same. Over 80% of our pilots on FULL WB PAY.

We obviously need to bring up our rates but that is why we are in negotiations.

PurpleToolBox

Yes and no. B777 pilots make much more money because of the overages that the other wide body pilots will not get.