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01-15-2023, 07:52 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Night hub turns aren’t for everyone. Some like them and some don’t. How would you like 4/5 leg 10 hour duty day domestic pax schedules followed by 11-12 hour layovers month after month? Are those better in your mind? Maybe they are but not in my book.
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Regarding pay rates, are you aware our rates on certain aircraft still far exceed UA and DAL (until new TA implemented)? Look at the 76-300 and Airbus 300 equivalent pay at UA and DAL. Those two airlines also have negotiated another pay increase since our 15 contract.
767-300 12 year Capt.
FDX- 326
UA- 293
DAL- 296
767-300 12 year Capt.
FDX- 326
UA- 293
DAL- 296
FedEx WANTS a single pay scale because it saves them immense amounts of money in training costs with folks switching fleets. I have friends at UAL that trained in the 737, 75/76, AND the 787 all within a two year span. I'm not saying I want to go to training that often but that is a LOT of training cost that FedEx saves by keeping us seat locked with only two pay bands. Never mind the rumors that the company is pushing for a single pay scale. I wonder why that could be? Ohh yea, save on training costs due to the seat locks AND then use blended rates against us in negotiations. Again, GMAFB.
01-15-2023, 08:59 PM
#82
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
I added context to your very simplistic DC plan post.
FedEx is different in some aspects. It’s as simple as a contract is negotiated as a whole not on one item or just a few items. You get the WHOLE CBA and anything else that might not be as good. Not just the few good items. That’s why you vote on the whole contract and not just certain parts. I am going to buy bitcoin and I only want my account value to go up on positive days. I don’t want it to go down on negative days. Not how it works. You don’t want to take the good and bad then you must sell or don’t buy in the first place.
So do want the WHOLE DAL contract?
Say goodbye to our pension plan, vacation, pay per day, all WB on one scale, line
bidding and conflicting, min monthly credit, etc.
FedEx is different in some aspects. It’s as simple as a contract is negotiated as a whole not on one item or just a few items. You get the WHOLE CBA and anything else that might not be as good. Not just the few good items. That’s why you vote on the whole contract and not just certain parts. I am going to buy bitcoin and I only want my account value to go up on positive days. I don’t want it to go down on negative days. Not how it works. You don’t want to take the good and bad then you must sell or don’t buy in the first place.
So do want the WHOLE DAL contract?
Say goodbye to our pension plan, vacation, pay per day, all WB on one scale, line
bidding and conflicting, min monthly credit, etc.
As for delta, no I don’t want their contract. I want the best things about their contract and the best things on the ual contract and the best things of the ups contract, etc. Answer this, do you feel we are worth that? Yes, it’s an academic question that doesn’t ask what you think is possible. It’s a question whose answer gets to the mindset you may have. So can you answer just that one question with a yes or no?
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Define far more……
Even with the changes my math come up with 15% of DAL pilots on top widebody rates if the fleet count number on the DAL page is correct.
They also slope down the fleet variants for smaller widebody. At FDX We pay all WB the same. Over 80% of our pilots on FULL WB PAY.
We obviously need to bring up our rates but that is why we are in negotiations.
Even with the changes my math come up with 15% of DAL pilots on top widebody rates if the fleet count number on the DAL page is correct.
They also slope down the fleet variants for smaller widebody. At FDX We pay all WB the same. Over 80% of our pilots on FULL WB PAY.
We obviously need to bring up our rates but that is why we are in negotiations.
Why do you repeat management talking points? Next you’ll say that FedEx is different but in the way management means it.
Last edited by FXLAX; 01-15-2023 at 09:09 PM.
01-16-2023, 07:04 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 613
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
I wonder if management argues with each other that those at the table don't know what they are doing.
why would they, when our union leaders consistently demonstrate what good boys they are so as to maybe get a seat at the grown-up table.
why would they when after TA’s are signed, they’re on the party plane back to DC, toasting to our stupidity.
why would they when our union waits for the company’s interpretation of the new contract language.
why would they when their brain trust is few, and elite, with the very best contract lawyers that money can buy, wheres we pilots negotiate with grads from Devry University. something about shooting a cat III makes us feel far more intelligent than we are as a collective.
why would they when the actions of their peers wouldn’t significantly impact their quality of life.
why would they when year after year their work rules don’t get worse, their pay doesn’t lag with inflation, and their parachutes are golden?
but here you are, telling everyone to shut up and drink the purple cool aid.
why aren’t we more united? because we can’t see what doesn’t impact us, and so we concede, we allow “wiggle room”, but it’s never a wiggle, is it? its always much bigger than a mere f’ing wiggle. whats bigger than a wiggle? a waggle?
why would they when they weren’t operating in the insanity of the past three years? when they aren’t habitually fatigued. on their fourth night of night hub turns.
why would they when they don’t have to tolerate the idiots among them, simply take out the trash.
in other words, shut up! hypocrite, judging others for doing exactly what you just did: complain! here’s a news flash: complaining is necessary, lest we all passively endure the degradation of a very challenging career.
01-16-2023, 07:34 AM
#85
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 447
Originally Posted by Anthrax
No. and why would they? they’ve been handing us our asses since the day Fred won payroll at the blackjack tables.
why would they, when our union leaders consistently demonstrate what good boys they are so as to maybe get a seat at the grown-up table.
why would they when after TA’s are signed, they’re on the party plane back to DC, toasting to our stupidity.
why would they when our union waits for the company’s interpretation of the new contract language.
why would they when their brain trust is few, and elite, with the very best contract lawyers that money can buy, wheres we pilots negotiate with grads from Devry University. something about shooting a cat III makes us feel far more intelligent than we are as a collective.
why would they when the actions of their peers wouldn’t significantly impact their quality of life.
why would they when year after year their work rules don’t get worse, their pay doesn’t lag with inflation, and their parachutes are golden?
but here you are, telling everyone to shut up and drink the purple cool aid.
why aren’t we more united? because we can’t see what doesn’t impact us, and so we concede, we allow “wiggle room”, but it’s never a wiggle, is it? its always much bigger than a mere f’ing wiggle. whats bigger than a wiggle? a waggle?
why would they when they weren’t operating in the insanity of the past three years? when they aren’t habitually fatigued. on their fourth night of night hub turns.
why would they when they don’t have to tolerate the idiots among them, simply take out the trash.
in other words, shut up! hypocrite, judging others for doing exactly what you just did: complain! here’s a news flash: complaining is necessary, lest we all passively endure the degradation of a very challenging career.
why would they, when our union leaders consistently demonstrate what good boys they are so as to maybe get a seat at the grown-up table.
why would they when after TA’s are signed, they’re on the party plane back to DC, toasting to our stupidity.
why would they when our union waits for the company’s interpretation of the new contract language.
why would they when their brain trust is few, and elite, with the very best contract lawyers that money can buy, wheres we pilots negotiate with grads from Devry University. something about shooting a cat III makes us feel far more intelligent than we are as a collective.
why would they when the actions of their peers wouldn’t significantly impact their quality of life.
why would they when year after year their work rules don’t get worse, their pay doesn’t lag with inflation, and their parachutes are golden?
but here you are, telling everyone to shut up and drink the purple cool aid.
why aren’t we more united? because we can’t see what doesn’t impact us, and so we concede, we allow “wiggle room”, but it’s never a wiggle, is it? its always much bigger than a mere f’ing wiggle. whats bigger than a wiggle? a waggle?
why would they when they weren’t operating in the insanity of the past three years? when they aren’t habitually fatigued. on their fourth night of night hub turns.
why would they when they don’t have to tolerate the idiots among them, simply take out the trash.
in other words, shut up! hypocrite, judging others for doing exactly what you just did: complain! here’s a news flash: complaining is necessary, lest we all passively endure the degradation of a very challenging career.
01-16-2023, 07:39 AM
#86
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 613
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
Do you feel better now?
I’m just f’ing with you. don’t cry. and hey, you’re smart enough to fly airplanes, so there is that.
01-16-2023, 07:56 AM
#87
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 447
Originally Posted by Anthrax
I feel about the same. How do you feel? Still stupid? By the way, how does stupid feel? Is it as blissful as ignorance?
I’m just f’ing with you. don’t cry. and hey, you’re smart enough to fly airplanes, so there is that.
I’m just f’ing with you. don’t cry. and hey, you’re smart enough to fly airplanes, so there is that.
01-16-2023, 11:46 AM
#88
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
Originally Posted by Anthrax
No. and why would they? they’ve been handing us our asses since the day Fred won payroll at the blackjack tables.
why would they, when our union leaders consistently demonstrate what good boys they are so as to maybe get a seat at the grown-up table.
why would they when after TA’s are signed, they’re on the party plane back to DC, toasting to our stupidity.
why would they when our union waits for the company’s interpretation of the new contract language.
why would they when their brain trust is few, and elite, with the very best contract lawyers that money can buy, wheres we pilots negotiate with grads from Devry University. something about shooting a cat III makes us feel far more intelligent than we are as a collective.
why would they when the actions of their peers wouldn’t significantly impact their quality of life.
why would they when year after year their work rules don’t get worse, their pay doesn’t lag with inflation, and their parachutes are golden?
but here you are, telling everyone to shut up and drink the purple cool aid.
why aren’t we more united? because we can’t see what doesn’t impact us, and so we concede, we allow “wiggle room”, but it’s never a wiggle, is it? its always much bigger than a mere f’ing wiggle. whats bigger than a wiggle? a waggle?
why would they when they weren’t operating in the insanity of the past three years? when they aren’t habitually fatigued. on their fourth night of night hub turns.
why would they when they don’t have to tolerate the idiots among them, simply take out the trash.
in other words, shut up! hypocrite, judging others for doing exactly what you just did: complain! here’s a news flash: complaining is necessary, lest we all passively endure the degradation of a very challenging career.
why would they, when our union leaders consistently demonstrate what good boys they are so as to maybe get a seat at the grown-up table.
why would they when after TA’s are signed, they’re on the party plane back to DC, toasting to our stupidity.
why would they when our union waits for the company’s interpretation of the new contract language.
why would they when their brain trust is few, and elite, with the very best contract lawyers that money can buy, wheres we pilots negotiate with grads from Devry University. something about shooting a cat III makes us feel far more intelligent than we are as a collective.
why would they when the actions of their peers wouldn’t significantly impact their quality of life.
why would they when year after year their work rules don’t get worse, their pay doesn’t lag with inflation, and their parachutes are golden?
but here you are, telling everyone to shut up and drink the purple cool aid.
why aren’t we more united? because we can’t see what doesn’t impact us, and so we concede, we allow “wiggle room”, but it’s never a wiggle, is it? its always much bigger than a mere f’ing wiggle. whats bigger than a wiggle? a waggle?
why would they when they weren’t operating in the insanity of the past three years? when they aren’t habitually fatigued. on their fourth night of night hub turns.
why would they when they don’t have to tolerate the idiots among them, simply take out the trash.
in other words, shut up! hypocrite, judging others for doing exactly what you just did: complain! here’s a news flash: complaining is necessary, lest we all passively endure the degradation of a very challenging career.
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