"Normal" Upgrade Times
So hopefully this thread doesn't spiral out of control (yeah right), but I'm curious to know: for a NH here at FedEx, given the massive throttling back on hiring and plans to "trim" (read: aggressively carve out) $4bn over the next two FYs, what does the upgrade timeline look like?
Better said: traditionally, and in the non-COVID environment, what was the upgrade timeline like? Probably best to also not account for the 60-65 change as well. I'm guessing more like 7-10 years for WB (longer for the triple), and 4-5 years for the 75? I get that no one knows the future, and I'm probably off in my estimates as well, but I like hearing from those who have been here a lot longer than I have. Thanks! (and yes, the upgrade will probably be a lot quicker at one of the third party lift options that our Scope allows the company to use :)) |
Originally Posted by Prefontaine
(Post 3600795)
So hopefully this thread doesn't spiral out of control (yeah right), but I'm curious to know: for a NH here at FedEx, given the massive throttling back on hiring and plans to "trim" (read: aggressively carve out) $4bn over the next two FYs, what does the upgrade timeline look like?
Better said: traditionally, and in the non-COVID environment, what was the upgrade timeline like? Probably best to also not account for the 60-65 change as well. I'm guessing more like 7-10 years for WB (longer for the triple), and 4-5 years for the 75? I get that no one knows the future, and I'm probably off in my estimates as well, but I like hearing from those who have been here a lot longer than I have. Thanks! (and yes, the upgrade will probably be a lot quicker at one of the third party lift options that our Scope allows the company to use :)) Pre covid the earliest upgrades on the 75 were 3 or 3.5 years. Which at the time was astounding. Post covid that dropped to almost nothing. I believe I heard about a new hire off IOE getting the award, don't quote me though. That being said, training has dropped to almost nothing. I have no idea what will happen. Guys who were awarded CGN CA upgrades have been told by the company not to expect a class date in 2023. |
The only what I know how to answer that question is by divining one by zero (1/0) to get your answer.
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Originally Posted by BluePAX
(Post 3600844)
I can only tell you about the 75 as a sub 5 year hire.
Pre covid the earliest upgrades on the 75 were 3 or 3.5 years. Which at the time was astounding. Post covid that dropped to almost nothing. I believe I heard about a new hire off IOE getting the award, don't quote me though. That being said, training has dropped to almost nothing. I have no idea what will happen. Guys who were awarded CGN CA upgrades have been told by the company not to expect a class date in 2023. id say the average time to downgrade is 3-6 years. Yes that is right |
Originally Posted by Prefontaine
(Post 3600795)
I'm guessing more like 7-10 years for WB (longer for the triple), and 4-5 years for the 75?
Before COVID and the rapid expansion, it took 9-10 years for a wide body captain. 7-8 for 757 Captain. I'm using my class as an example. We are overstaffed. FedEx Management will brief investors on April 5th about Network 2.0. We could have a bid which displaces a lot of junior pilots in category. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 3601212)
We only retire about 200 a year. You can look that up on the Alpa webpage.
Before COVID and the rapid expansion, it took 9-10 years for a wide body captain. 7-8 for 757 Captain. I'm using my class as an example. We are overstaffed. FedEx Management will brief investors on April 5th about Network 2.0. We could have a bid which displaces a lot of junior pilots in category. |
Originally Posted by pwdrhound
(Post 3601220)
This is not a far fetched outcome with the current management strategy of shrinking the company into profitability.
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
(Post 3601220)
Under the current overstaffing and retirement rates, I see 7-8 for NB and 10-12 for WB. If fedex were to loose some portion of the postal contract which comes up for renewal in the next year or so, you could easily tack 2-3 years to those timelines. Probably about what the guys that were hired in 07 were facing. I would not wanna be a new hire here, camping out on reserve in a Memphis crashed dodging bullets for the foreseeable future... This is not a far fetched outcome with the current management strategy of shrinking the company into profitability. I predict a sizable voluntary exodus for those with 1-2 years on the property. I think a lot of guys are waking up to reality...
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 3601212)
We only retire about 200 a year. You can look that up on the Alpa webpage.
Before COVID and the rapid expansion, it took 9-10 years for a wide body captain. 7-8 for 757 Captain. I'm using my class as an example. We are overstaffed. FedEx Management will brief investors on April 5th about Network 2.0. We could have a bid which displaces a lot of junior pilots in category. agreed. However at the instructor meeting this week JB said the manning is perfect. Not over not under |
Originally Posted by LuckyvsGood
(Post 3601277)
agreed. However at the instructor meeting this week JB said the manning is perfect. Not over not under
I will say that it looks as though the Downbid if you are displaced will be in your current seat and not allowed to ITU to a different airframe. Downbid syllabus is 2 events. ITU is 90 days. Which do you think is cheaper? |
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