WearyEyed

I don’t know if this is old news or not. It’s dated March 24, 2023. I wonder if giving up the MX hangar is a sign of a LAX base closure or a nothing burger.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fe...NZ1tyFJfEDJYh4

Galley Slave

I believe it only applied to the 777 awards. It wasn’t 21-01 awards, it was for 20-01. Those pilots were not able to bid for class dates due to the company assigning them to new hires. Union negotiated a settlement which gave those pilots a 3 CH “slot denial” pay per month until they went to training. They were able to bid for training dates outside of the normal bid process.

schloppy1

It was bid 20-02 to be exact. I was one of those pilots and just finished up 777 training after 6 years on property. Look, I’m not leaving this place, so take my advice for what it’s worth. This corporation will purple promise your ass into months on the road and deny you a transfer to a higher paying bird with almost complete impunity. Alpa tries its best, but we’re just kids at the table. Cargo has some awesome advantages over self loading cargo, but also some serious disadvantages. The big three are starting their own flight schools. Friggen Frontier is offering $1000/mo stipend in flight training. FedEx is about to kneel to Wall Street and explain how cutting our fleet and denying us industry pay is in their best interest. I’m here, I’m not leaving. But if I were looking to make my forever move today, FedEx would not be on my radar. Choose wisely and go where your skills are most valued.

Nightflyer

How many millions of dollars in passover pay did we give away in the 2015 contract?

I wish I knew the number. It cost us, and will continue to cost us, way more than lie flat seats!

PurpleToolBox

Giving up Passover Pay was the biggest mistake of 2015. It allowed the company to rapidly grow and react to COVID demand while abrogating seniority; training new hires and junior pilots in seats before senior pilots. The company did it to their own detriment. Now the crew force is upside down and on the wrong fleets.Then there is CIPPA which screwed the training department forcing instructors out after 24 months.

C2015 was a disaster for us and FedEx, but FedEx saved a ton of money. Now FedEx will have to spend more un****ing what they messed up.

On this contract, DON’T listen to the Kronan’s who sell the TA.

READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

ASK YOURSELF IF YOU WERE THE COMPANY HOW WOULD YOU USE THE LANGUAGE AGAINST THE PILOTS.

THEN VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

KODI3

“1. Where am I bidding FROM?
You will be bidding from your currently awarded crew position (2.34) (not necessarily where you are activated) (24.B.8.)
Example: An 77FM with an award to the 11CL will be bidding from the 11CL seat.
For BPO pilots with notional awards, you will be bidding from your current crew position (2.35) (where you are activated) (see 24 OIM)”

What does it matter from which seat you bid from?

Thought this was all based on seniority, not awarded or activated…

Hefeweizen

As previously discussed, the rules governing the bid have conditions based on the manning in your current seat (where you’re bidding from). Using their example, if you’re holding an 11CL award, since the seat you’re “bidding from” is being zeroed out, any of the options where one of the conditions is that you are being forced to move will apply to you.

Merle Haggard

Fixed it for ya

PurpleToolBox

Agree.

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UnusualAttitude

More garbage in Section 24, the gift that keeps on giving. If a pilot is displaced (assigned) it is still considered a lateral move for the sake of a subsequent system bid. So even if you are put into a position via assignment you cannot bid back out of it via award (to a lateral position) until you have been activated for the adequate amount of time. The fact that ALPA ever agreed to this language is puzzling. The fact that we didn't even bother attempting to improve it during this negotiation is infuriating. Example: Pilot is excessed out of their 777CA seat and into the 767CA seat. There is another bid in 18 months, that pilot who was previously a 777CA and excessed cannot bid back to the 777CA seat but a pilot JR to him not subject to a bid award restriction can go right ahead. Seniority abrogation at it's finest.