pinseeker

So, you are taking the scheduled deadhead. The duty period for that deadhead from 2 hours before departure time to 30 minuted after scheduled landing is over 16 hours? There is a priority for those flights that start with discounted first class, then full fare first class, then business class. If first class isn't available, Global Travel must email you stating that first class isn't available. Did this happen? Lie flat seats only apply to higher class of service. The situation of a duty day over 16 hours doesn't qualify as a higher class of service scenario. If this is indeed the case, you need to submit an Invite report asking the company to correct the issue. If it is not corrected, then you need to submit a DART to CE to get the issue fixed. Don't let this slide, it only hurts all of us.

threeighteen

Still a violation of status quo, even if it hasn't affected you personally.

FXLAX

The one dh I’ve heard this has been happening on is the sfo-sin flight. No first on any flights between those city pairs. But when business was sold out, they they put them in economy, which is obviously a no-go. They’ve been resolving this by revising the trip on different city pairs that are under the 16 hours duty.

Kipper

Thanks for this. I was told that lay flat seats are available in business so all of those provisions that you mentioned that I thought apply actually do not. I will insite it.

Kipper

Yes. Front DH. I’m doing exactly that. Deviating and yes Easy Peasy. It would be nice if the company just paid for the ticket without it having to come out of my deviation bank as it seems it qualifies for a FC ticket.

Rock

Don’t apologize for me dumbass. Most people in this forum have an IQ high enough to keep track of more than one thing. Several actual FedEx pilots had thousands of dollars deducted from their pay because of the change in midtrip deviation policy. The same policy change to midtrip deadheads is being discussed for front and backend deadheads. None of that is relevant to you. It only applies to FedEx pilots.

And by the way, this was the original post that started this thread. The question concerned purchasing First Class tickets. No mention of front, back or midtrip deviations. And as correctly pointed out in the thread, there is a difference.

“Does anyone have any experience with a first class ticket being purchased and reimbursed on an international deadhead where duty day is over 16 hours?

I recall that “lay flat trumps everything else”. Yet, I’ve heard rumors that in fact we can still get first class.

Just wondering how to get it authorized so it will be covered. I’ve read the contract but all too often, my interpretation is wrong.

Thanks in advance.
K.”

Crazy Canuck

Trust me, language is completely irrelevant. Past practice is what holds up. Ask me how I know!!!!

Merle Haggard

I'm just about sick of feeling like I'm putting down several thousand dollars at a roulette wheel when I buy deviation tickets. Despite being able to read, speak, and understand English as a primary language, it feels like gambling when you exercise your contractual rights and then hope that they don't don't take half a month's pay hostage.

Contract enforcement has got to do better.

Prior to sending any POS out for voting, they should negotiate a BINDING pre-arbitration of scenario-based interpretations to find out if they really mean what the NC thinks they mean. I'd like to know what I'm actually voting on.