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QUOTE Stan446 "8 total run by Amazon. Nice try though.

swing and a miss. Next!" QUOTE. - I left the quotes in for the current administration.

There is no try: Please look into our Titan division where they will be happy to lease them out if available. Definitely a way for any company to work things out with capital nothing new. An attachment to our ACMI - crew it yourself or not they will meet your needs.

Old News example -

Titan Aircraft Investments and Georgian Airlines Announce Long-Term Agreement for a Boeing 737 Aircraft

Purchase, N.Y., December 15, 2022 – Titan Aircraft Investments today announced the placement of one Boeing 737-800SF converted freighter on long-term dry lease with Georgian Airlines to support its network. Titan Aviation Holdings, a subsidiary of Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings Inc. (NASDAQ: AAWW), will manage this asset."

*Titan Aviation Holdings is a freighter-centric leasing company that provides dry leasing solutions to airlines worldwide. Subsidiary of Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings.

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Originally Posted by 4a2c (Post 3795504)

Art Luby has told our MEC that the UPS Scope language is likely not enforceable on the international extraterritorial stuff, nice that they have the language but it also requires binding arbitration for any dispute and we all know how that will go. Wonder if IPA has ever filed a dispute ?

Scope, beyond what we have on the books (protecting the RLA area of ops) is a pipe dream and a fools errand. We will not be get anything near what some want so hopefully the proposal that is already on the table from the new scope committee is achievable. Grab much better data reports and do our best to prevent any type of job loss (furlough) against wet lease (for covered flying).

If purple pilots think we will bargain a scope clause that will increase our job footprint, beyond what the company will ordinarily do under their current business practices, we will all get tired, greyer and losing money waiting. No way we ever get released, maybe the NMB gets some pressure from the Flight Attendants unions but bottom line the NMB is a nasty governmental agency that serves business owners and the public, not employees.

IPA has fought to enforce their scope, and they won against UPS.

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Originally Posted by Huck (Post 3795618)

He speaks truth.

Cool your jets and listen to folks who've been here awhile. Make no mistake, FDX will die on this hill.

*SHE does not speak the truth.

IPA has fought to enforce their scope, and they won against UPS.

You are right though, FDX will die on this hill.... at our feet.

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795619)

The company will do what they want.

Ahhh yes, the unofficial motto of the silent majority. If this is the case, why even have a union at all?

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795634)

You are kidding right? You think there are 737 freighters out there? You could have at least done a bit of looking to even post that laughable statement. Yep, You are right. FedEx wants to dramtically change its WHOLE operation to 737 domestic frieghters. Cmon, post something credible.

ASL isn't a US operator.

ASL isn't a US operator (yet, at least).

Atlas Air, Sun Country, MESA, and Kalitta Charters II are though, and Kalitta Charters II has been running this charter for FedEx since August 1, the day the new TA was supposed to take effect.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/KII8965/history/20240423/2209Z/MHLM/KMIA

The company says it's because we can't get the route authority. So how did Kalitta Charters II get it and we can't? We get route authority (often last minute) to run charter flight and scheduled operations all over the world yet can't seem to get it in Honduras while some YIP-based charter company can? If it looks like BS, smells like BS, and tastes like BS, it probably is BS.

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Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 3795701)

Titan Aircraft Investments and Georgian Airlines Announce Long-Term Agreement for a Boeing 737 Aircraft

Wow, Second swing and a miss. Atlas has 8, get it 8 737 freighters, leased to Amazon. Hardly enough in any way to fly FedEx domestic freight. Do you guys actually read anything but just post false info?

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795746)

Oh yeah, I forgot Atlas is not allowed to purchase more 737s or that Amazon won't ever drop them as a freight provider. You're acting like FedEx would replace the whole domestic network in one night... the reality is they would keep slowly chipping away at FedEx pilot jobs just a few planes at a time, even if that horrid TA had passed.

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795674)

They don't have 73 freighters.Try again, Champ.

But they do. You’re wrong…..again.

You’re just as annoying and uninformed here as you are on jetflyers. A little humility goes a long ways, just saying. But at least you’re consistent.

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795746)

So now you just admitted "Atlas has 8, get it 8 737 freighters..." you're all over the place as everyone seems to acknowledge. Nothing magically appears overnight as aircraft are brought in incrementally. Look up Titan to get educated as well. Cologne didn't happen overnight. Glad you figured out Atlas has 8 wow and moved on to another narrative, well done... no longer consistent once the lights are turned on.

Plzdont. You are pretty good at that manifesto thing, maybe you can pivot to being a full time blogger career on reddit when you get kicked off the MEC. Which will happen when you inevitably fail, miserably. Junior, old and angry MEC reps do not age well.

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Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3795690)

8 total run by Amazon. Nice try though.

swing and a miss. Next!

iAero/Swift just ceased operations. They had 40 737s, I'm not sure how many were in cargo configuration. Those airplanes are going to Eastern, another ACMI, and Kalitta Charters II, which it sounds like is already flying your freight on your routes. But yeah, nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by 4a2c (Post 3795824)

You know who else doesn't age well? Old, experienced, out of touch, ex-mil, company friendly, good old boy negotiating committee chariman.

So how does this age? I like JG but lets put in your analyis of what doesn't age well? JG ex mil- check, old-check, experienced-check, good old boy maybe, company friendly-not adverarial from past history of negotiating, out of touch- maybe just realistic.