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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 3650530)
In 2015 Delta pilots overwhelming rejected TA 1.0 which had passed the MEC and had the very vocal support of then DALPA MEC Chairman Mike Donatelli. The Delta MEC and Negotiating Committee spent a great deal of money and went as far as putting pilots of Flight Pay Loss to combat rumors online. At roadshows and in other presentations the MEC Chairman literally yelled threats to the pilot group if the TA was not ratified. Of course, none of these threats became reality.
One thing worth pointing out is that the DALPA insiders were truly shocked when the TA failed by such a large margin and were legitimately confused. Unfortunately, they had not been listening beyond their own echo chambers. DALPA did not make this mistake in 2023 and now Delta pilots enjoy a contract that passed with over 70% supporting. The threats you will likely hear at road shows and in video presentation and literature from our misdirected and tone deaf MEC and Negotiating Chairman include: -"The time value of money is too much to turn down even this meager raise which lags industry standard. We get it isn't what you wanted but turning it down will cost you too much." This threat is absolutely without merit. Sure, the time value of money is a real thing but focusing negotiations on what our pilots actually value will make this threat a moot one. -"This will stall negotiations for years." Delta ratified 2015 TA 2.0 14 months after rejecting TA 1.0. I beg you to ask your Delta friends if they regret fighting for what they deserved. Is the timeline guaranteed to be the same? No. Is Section 1 worth fighting for, is your future worth fighting for? Is the future for every FedEx pilot now and tomorrow worth fighting for? YES! -"Look at these charts. The proof is in the numbers." An astute pilot has already found errors and misleading data used to calculate some of the comparison charts. Keep in mind that this MEC/NC left the UPS Scope language off of the comparison website, likely intentionally, until it was made clear that they would be called on it in a very public way. The UPS Scope language was not included until several weeks ago. This data WILL BE SPUN to favor the desire of PM and his team.
Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1
(Post 3655835)
Or it gets a no vote for being an awful contract loaded with concessions. There’s not one section that is industry leading. Let’s start with our 75 pay-rates that drift worse than DLs 717/220 rates. 2027. Pathetic
Originally Posted by JackStraw
(Post 3655865)
The 757 won’t be on property as FedEx 737s operated by Mesa airlines consume our ramp, but that’s ok because Art Luby told us it wouldn’t happen.
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
(Post 3656318)
It's funny that a thread complaining about Union fear tactics is full of fear tactics and false information. I thought that the TA should sell or sink itself. Social media at its finest.
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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes
(Post 3656307)
Disclaimer: I don’t think it’s probable so not participating in this particular fear.
Airlines own some regional jets and pay regional airlines to operate them. So FedEx doesn’t have sell airplanes for this to happen. |
I don’t see the need for the scare tactics on either side of the fence. This TA speaks for itself, it’s a POS which is loaded with concessions. The same concessions which were rumored prior to the TA coming out. We were told they were just rumors and get the info directly from our reps. These rumors are now in black and white and same people are defending and trying to spin them. Every so called gain in this TA can be debunked, there is no real gain. IT’s concessionary and needs to go back where it came from period. No scare tactic required, it’s all there on paper.
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Originally Posted by mdeshazo
(Post 3656366)
Even better, there is nothing in our current contract or this TA stopping Fedex from parking 757's, wet leasing lift from another company, and leasing our own 757's to them to make it happen. All while enacting 4.A.2.b and/or furlough. This is why Section 1 is the most important one in the contract, and works hand in glove with Section 4.
the NC’s argument that the company would never do this because it would stain the brand is asinine! They are gambling with people’s jobs, instead of protecting them all costs. disgusting. |
Let's talk about some of these issues.
Former NC members have gone to management. VPs, DOs, and most places in between. So there is that. About fear at the MEC table: As one who had been there for "The Talk," Doom and gloom is sadly a "go to" tactic. The real question is despite that talk, will the MEC lead us in the right direction even if it is harder to do and may have a chance of short term failure for the longer term gain? Short term gains have caused us long term losses way too many times. I have spoken against this TA1 because while it may have $70M a month in gains (debatable), it should have had a lot more. I also agree the MEC did not do its job and listen to us or lead during the difficult times, so fear tactics is their last resort. When the videos come out from last week if they edit out the controversial statements, we will know how scared they are. |
Fear and greed index is high
Instead of mailing paper contracts to us, could we spend that money to have a film crew televise the roadshow? What if I could not attend? Are we supposed to call in sick or abandon duties to family and church? Modern podcasts have a chat format where listeners can ask questions.
Why are the comments turned off in you tube videos? |
Originally Posted by Idaho
(Post 3656405)
Instead of mailing paper contracts to us, could we spend that money to have a film crew televise the roadshow? What if I could not attend? Are we supposed to call in sick or abandon duties to family and church? Modern podcasts have a chat format where listeners can ask questions.
Why are the comments turned off in you tube videos? I can hear them: Damn those Unconscionable pilots staying behind hoping for a good career here, like we have enjoyed!!! The way they are selling the new CBA language at the Road Shows is through speculation, modelers, and rosy-colored assumptions. The NC is actually aiming for 50%+1 at this point, like the company. That is how pathetic this TA is. It is very encouraging though that unlike 2015 it seems this time we have enough pilots willing to vote down the NC's Unsat first try. Passenger airlines, much less profitable than our company, have shown it can be done. But our NC is fighting these realities with all the misinformation they have at their disposal, I mean, charts with asterisks. They want out on this contract. We need to send this back to the NC, and the company, by a large margin. |
Originally Posted by Idaho
(Post 3656405)
Instead of mailing paper contracts to us, could we spend that money to have a film crew televise the roadshow? What if I could not attend? Are we supposed to call in sick or abandon duties to family and church? Modern podcasts have a chat format where listeners can ask questions.
Why are the comments turned off in you tube videos? |
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