Originally Posted by busdriver12

Of course you're not concerned about wet leasing, DE Shaw, Chapter 1 or Student Makeup. If you have sat sideways, you've been at FedEx for some time, and none of these things affect you. It sounds like, though your retirement is not imminent, you are in the group of more senior people that FedEx has targeted in this TA who will vote yes on their own interests. Everyone is voting on their own interests, it is quite obvious how well FedEx has split the pilot group. However, this time, I don't think there are enough senior people left to make the 51% that is needed.

Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal

I never said I sat sideways for 5 years...I sat sideways for 8 months....I said that guys going out the door right now...some of them sat sideways for 5 years.

I'm not retiring anytime soon.

I'm one of the few guys that will admit to voting yes in 2015. I'll tell anyone that wants to know. I'm also not afraid to tell them why.

You can quote Tony all you want...that doesn't mean I agree with his assessment. Fear is not a currency I deal in. I'm not panicky about wet leasing or DE Shaw, I'm not concerned about Chapter1, or Student Makeup or any of the corner cases some have elevated to "end of world" status.....You can call me naive, stupid, or unconcerned, but fearful makes no sense.

I just don't think you guys are smart enough to do what needs to be done in a timely manner...and what little you yield won't be worth the time it took to get it. You do not display acumen....just tantrums and I'm unimpressed.. I'm surprised at how threatened and ugly you get when exposed to someone who doesn't echo your group think.

Originally Posted by Westerner

In 2015 Delta's union leadership tried to get them to roll over and take a contract they weren't happy with using all the same language you are using, "You guys aren't smart enough, the yield not worth the time". Was it a good idea for the Delta pilots to have a backbone and stand up for their worth in 2015? Would you have been on the forums with these same arguments then trying to talk them out of it?
How do you think negotiations are going to go next time if we roll over to these concessions, is the company going to have new "efficiency gains" they need in return for our pay to increase with inflation? At some point we have to put our foot down and stop this precedent of trading concessions for pay.

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

And what do you think the senior leadership would tell the company negotiators if they capitulate and come back with a watershed ta 2.0, "you do that and they'll never take the first deal ever again". And they can make that hard stand because they have, leverage.

Originally Posted by Westerner

If this contract fails and hopefully it does, I think they will realize the pilot group isn't going to accept concessions or less than industry leading pay. And that raising the pension no matter the cost isn't aligned with the majority of the pilot groups goals.

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

So they'll play the long game, they will always come out ahead. You will never be made whole.
I'm not saying hold your nose and vote yes, but they may make changes to get that 51% but you will never be made whole. The pilot groups that were able to score wholesale gains in their second offer had leverage, we don't. This concept needs to be understood by each and every member, yes or no vote. The union did a horrible job of presenting that with the "ratfied" slide. I'm sure those guys are exhausted and it's the 11th inning of a 9 inning game but damn we need, accurate, timely, and unemotional information passed to this crew force to truly understand where we stand at the table. You can ask your block reps or the PSIT, those guys see it first hand as they are building the schedule. But unfortunately it seems the angry no's won't trust anything from a alpa title but a Jetflyers meme is worth it's weight in gold. Sad times for sure.

Originally Posted by Westerner

We are all governed by the RLA and there was no pilot shortage in 2015. What leverage did the Delta pilots have?

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

They were hiring.

Originally Posted by Westerner

They had thousands of applications on file. That's not leverage