The Path Forward
 

The path forward will define us.


We need to offer a hand to those who voted in the affirmative. They are part of our group and will have good ideas as well. It is time to heal.

And it is time to roll up our sleeves and get busy. We will need to survey to find the areas which must be addressed, and we need to remain focused on an industry leading contract for all.


Those with the motivation, Let's get to work. That is what we do here. We work for each other as of this day forward.

Need to have recall votes for all of the LECs, except for Tony, then the Negotiators need to be fired or resign, then polling to move forward.

I agree! And this needs to be done ASAP

Just a comment from the bleachers from someone who's been there. C2015 TA1 at DAL had two things against it...some individual bad concessions (sick leave, profit sharing, etc), and it was pretty weak everywhere else. There was no one thing you could point to and say "that was a good deal we gave up", except some weak, indirect time value of money arguments. Vote was 65-35 against. You had a leaders and negotiators that were not only 100% completely invested in it, and they were absolutely dedicated to the philosophy that got them there. They got shown the door, but they left kicking and screaming, and remained petulant long thereafter, some to this day.

You've got a different problem here. You had a TA you determined that was inadequate, yes, but you had a closer vote. Different still is you had a retirement "fix" that some saw as a good deal. Their good deal, which just got blown up. What you guys do about it is clearly up to you, but just know from the cheap seats you are dealing with a slightly different problem than the DAL and UAL guys. You are bound to have some very, very angry yes voters, and that's going to certainly affect how you go forward.

From what I've seen on these boards, the immediate problem may be figuring out how to keep them from flying struck UPS work at draft to recoup their perceived losses.

The vote was actually 56% no, 42% yes, and 2% cast a vote without a for or against selection. That said, I see it as a positive that the company will have to grapple with if they truly want a deal moving forward. They know they cannot just buy the senior vote with retirement. They will have to improve SCOPE language, retro bonus, and pay rates in addition to maintaining retirement in order to get a passing vote. They have a baseline to work with now. It will be interesting moving forward in a climate where demand is down…

:confused: But, wait... I have it on good authority (Nightflyer and many other "smart" AVA and Draft flyers over the last 2 years) that it doesn't matter. So, which is it?

Not that it's likely AVA or Draft will be available for the foreseeable future, but if it is, why not go with that attitude? Now all of the sudden we're going to start pulling in the same direction? Give me a break. I can't wait to see this unfold while millions are lost. All because we want to be able to compare simple pay rates in the showers. Whatever. :rolleyes:

Lagging and stagnated pay rates next 2 to 5 years never to be recouped.
800+ furloughed within next year
400 to 1000 senior pilots retiring under old TA $260,000 cap.
The new CFO and company will be laughing and celebrating all the way to the bank.
All you NO voters gave the company $Billions and took $Billions away from the pilots.
I hope you are happy!, I will not be shedding any tears for the NO voters who get furloughed or stuck at 2020 757 FO pay rates
For next 2 to 5 years.
Thanks again!

Congrats! We did the first hard step, now is the next hard step in a series of hard steps.

This message that we sent to the company needs to be relayed to the analysts. Please reach out to your Rep and DART it. There is a window of publicity that should not be wasted on the labor instability wrt to our TA1.0 failure

Additionally, UPS teamsters will have a very big moment on 31 July if their company does not come to the table.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/fedex-pilots-reject-tentative-deal-union-says

Add: our reps still have a job to do until recall/resign. This job is not done for free, they do get paid in the form of FPL and QOL so even in this moment of failure they need to keep flying the plane after the membership said “go around”. If they are unable to do the “go around” or decide that they are no longer an effective crew member they should make the transition to resignation even quicker.

I got some tissues. it’ll help. there there