I think everyone is missing the elephant in the room.


The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.


The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.


We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.


And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.

There is no reason and no precedent to make concessions to a highly profitable company. Full stop.

OUR GOAL for TA 2.0 should NOT be 50%+1

But of course, That WILL Remain the company’s goal.

The next NC & MEC shouldn’t send any new TA that won’t pass ratification across our diverse pilot group. They shouldn’t need to sell it. If the company doesn’t step up, ensure that’s put on the company! The 99% strike vote got their attention. A rejected TA created even more clarity. Peak is coming in 4 months and UPS just TA’d a new ground contract with their Teamsters

Business leaders & customers don’t like uncertainty - they can pay to remove it.

In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax

No, 330 FAE is not enough. But I like your concept.

400 FAE, now we're talking.

This is what we need to ratify.

For some reason FX ALPA says different. Your dues at work.

Only because they haven’t had recall votes yet.

Yes exactly. We need to come up with something along these lines. Not a B Scale for newhires.

Our NO Vote ensures that TA2 will not be crafted specifically for a small group of senior pilots at the cost of all future careers here, and at the cost future contract negotiations. By voting down the UTA we took the first step in breaking that cycle our union and company have been practicing: aim to make it just good enough for a small group of senior dudes.

I could see guys with financial understanding like DLax85 stepping up for TA2, and fine tuning the proper alternative ratios offered between DB and DC plans.

Also, I imagine our group would like to use our hard-earned dues to hire some very expensive, ruthless lawyers to sit down vs the company's lawyers. But, I know we won't do that. For some reason, we have to show through the process that professional pilots are not professional negotiators.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/passenger-news/emirates-777-suffers-hail-damage-take-off-milan/

i was holding waiting out this TS when emirates took off into it. It looked ugly. They probably thought they could turn prior to it. It developed on the southern face of the mountain.

Do not know the path that delta took.

Leroy Jenkins it is….