The Empire Strikes Back
 

Sad news from council 7 meeting. It looks like the MEC Chair is firing volunteers while the recalls are going on. This is a very bad look.

Who got fired? And when is the MEC chair going to resign? He's been the biggest clown in this whole sad circus.

Vice Chair Scope was fired. Looks like the swamp did not like that Vice Chair recommended NO Vote for New Scope section alone. CN was on very shaky ground before this
unforced error. Now, secondary explosions.

Scope vice chose to publicly post a BS wet lease scenario with bad math and incorrect conclusions. All while never bothering to run it by his Chair or get anyone to provide a measure of QC on the comm. Intentions are irrelevant in this case. His choices have consequences and they’re coming to fruition. His wet lease us all out of jobs scenario was utter BS and never should have been published. If he was just another APCer that’s one thing. But he wasn’t. He has an obligation to ensure anything that can be tied to his position is more than just an opinion and has basis in actual fact.

I don't think the "wet lease us out of a job" theory is that far fetched. Have you watched what is happening to our Express delivery drivers lately? Long term, full time employees are being terminated, and replaced by contract labor. It is not a stretch to think the company wouldn't do that to us as well, and we almost gave them to the scope permission to do it.

Different topic, but related with regards to admitting the negative effects of TA1.0….

When line pilots asked about the first, second and third order effects of the company knocking FOs off of 40% of the LCA lines, the NC responded with telling us it would only affect 1-2 lines in OAK & IND.

Yeah, OK - how about admitting what it would do to all the bigger MEM bidpacks….??

In MEM 757 alone it could easily be 10-12 lines per month (about 6-8% of current bidpack)…with all those FOs now trying to rebuild their schedules in View/Add Window

Those pilots will pluck out the sweetest 750-900 credit hours / 125-150 one-day trips. What will be left for the VTO pilots?

The #1 VTO guy is going to really be the the #11- #13 VTO guy, and every subsequent VTO line be negatively affected too.

What will Initial Open Time look like after all secondary lines are built ? Answer = Worse!

R24 to R16 will also have a significant affect on Open Time. Less Open Time = less need for Reserves, and less ability for ALL pilots who want to adjust their schedules for increased QOL.

Let’s ALL be genuine and transparent.

In Unity (for Everyone),
DLax

Student lines were a MAJOR concession that would drop every FO secondary line holder 10% in seniority. That combined with a 14% DOS pay raise, it’s laughable anyone thought TA1 would pass.

It's alarming they made this rep a scapegoat. This TA failed for many reasons in addition to scope. The union needs to welcome new ideas and independent thinking instead of isolation and groupthink. In addition to the recalls there needs to be current union members recognizing the follies of the decision making process of the union leaders and pushing for change from within.

The Scope Chair admitted during the first road show the Scope Vice Chair was not allowed in the conversation about the new scope language. I also asked about three different use cases for the company to use the 7000 Block hours (1% of last years flying) to which the Scope Chair said "they didn't consider" those use cases. They only looked back at historical wet lease patterns.

So who should go? Not the Vice. A dramatical change to scope language should have had all hands on deck, however, yet again they (the cabal) hid in the cone of confusion and try to down play a major give back while every other contract in the industry is making gains.


So who should go?

The former Scope Vice Chair was not a rep. And I suspect the former Scope Vice Chair will get another chance to volunteer as soon as the MEC Chair is removed.

I am amazed by the level of vindictiveness being displayed by our MEC Chair. A person who should know they will be removed by the MEC perhaps even before the chairs are refilled. This is sad to witness. But in the end, we will emerge stronger and more unified and for that I am grateful.

I guess we can lay to rest the notion that this was the most transparent, open, integrity based MEC in History.

45% didn’t think it was laughable. Very close to passing. Mind boggling that 45% would vote for the failed TA, big mountain to climb.

Most of the folks that voted yes are close to retirement and wanted to get something instead of nothing on their way out the door.

Yeah right.

I WISH we had 2000 pilots near retirement.

Well vote for this:

• or furlough
• 4.A.2.b-c
• lose 70 million monthly
• Or next deal is 3 years away

Would drive more than a few people to the yes column and not unreasonably so.

Furlough and reduced BLGs evidently didn’t drive many to the yes column based on the % NO votes by blocks. The junior guys had the guts to send this thing back and I thank them for it.

We constantly degrade VTOs with all the conflicts. I don’t like the student line garbage but if it doesn’t go away, just give the guy with the student line the next line he can hold at a premium. Stop adding stuff to the makeup window and degrading VTOs. Yes that means somebody further down the list doesn’t hold that line and maybe gets a VTO but at least they come in at their seniority not before the #1 VTO. Our bidding process is unnecessarily drawn out and complicated.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!! If they want my line for training the I should get paid for it and do as I choose to with my time off period!!!! No fancy changes or language

Remember that when TA 2.0 comes up in 12-24 months, 400+ new hires will be able to vote (80% would have voted NO in TA 1) and 200-300 senior pilots (80% voted Yes in TA 1.0) will have retired.
Thats a 500+ pilot swing in favor of the NO type voters.

Even this process will reduce the total need for FOs. If an LCA trip is eventually NOT filled with a student, they will merely fill it with a Reserve pilot

Read the Sep SIG Notes - look how they are now assigning (non-sick) Open Time trips to R24 guys well in advance, to prevent other pilots from picking up trips and getting paid

They want Reserve Utilization way up - it’s a sunk cost to them

Precisely why the SIG is now suggesting guys Proffer trips rather than Drop Trips

So let’s review some of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd order effects of Student Lines:

- FO is blocked from preferred line (possibly home town)

- FO must fly a lesser choice line to get paid

- More FOs picking up more trips, and more of the the very best trips, during View/Add window - possibly before more senior FOs, who were awarded VTOs

- Less trips in Open Time

- Higher Reserve Utilization for ALL Reserve Types: A, B, R24/R16 when students are eventually not assigned

- Higher Reserve Utilization means harder to drop/move R-days…..and harder to drop trips

- Less flexibility and QOL for all

- Less FOs needed / Less Hiring

Delta Mgmt tried to block FOs from being paired with LCAs within their PBS System during their first TA back in 2015. The Delta NC & MEC initially agreed. The Delta line pilots said “No Way”and voted that TA down, and that language was removed during TA2.0

The company is constantly seeking ways to subjugate seniority and become more efficient. They don’t like hard line bidding - they want to force more pilots into the View/Add & VTO process - aka “Back Door PBS”

WE LOUDLY Communicated - NO PBS during our 2015 negations

WE need to LOUDLY Communicate - NO Student Lines now!

This pilot efficiency concession was never surveyed and the actual effects were never revealed. Luckily, it’s an easy fix.

Just say NO - we’re keeping current CBA language & process when any & every pilot gets bumped by the company for student training

In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone)
DLax

It appears the MEC Chair fired both the PATH Chair and Pro Stans Chair.


Anyone want to work for our MEC before we R&R the officers and several Reps? Seems like more and more positions are opening up quickly.


And I thought it couldn't get worse. Well at least we don't have to wonder any more....

Fired KB? For what…?

Paranoia…sees there’s a threat to holding power. Seeks to eliminate it by terminating anyone not deemed absolutely loyal. There were an information leaks that caused their TA agenda to fail so they’re cleaning house while the villagers are trying to burn it down.

The only leaks I heard were from the PRO TA 1.0 side. They were selling it hard.

About the villagers, we are trying to weed the garden, fix the picket fence that has been neglected, Repaint, Fix the leaking roof, replace the broken windows, repair the foundation and allow the front door to work without a secret decoder ring.

It is our house. And we have spoken, we want it back.

It is time for those who neglected our house and to cause all the issues to leave professionally.

I just learned forth hand, the Pro Stans Chair stepped down, he was not fired. I also heard several other lower level volunteers were fired.

I just want the record to be correct.

Surely there is an actual record or do we have to come on here to see?

So in your unity push, you posted rumor and presented it as fact.

You obviously don't know K or have flown with her. Not hard to figure out.