Unknown Chemicals
 

You guys were exposed to unknown chemicals and deserve a pay raise because of that? What unknown chemicals?

If you don’t know what is being talked about, then it doesn’t matter to you.

I would like a pay raise because of some chemicals as well. What chemicals?

If we knew, we would not be stating “Unknown Chemicals”!

Your posting history implies you’re a United pilot. So your contract was just signed and you have a few years until you can attempt to get another pay raise based on “Unknown Chemicals” then. Irrelevant to you now.

I was exposed, but I didn’t inhale. (Just couldn’t resist…)

And she was a consenting adult.
Not a naive employee.
😳😉

It's like sex and carrier landings. If you haven't done it, there's no way to explain it to you. If you have done it, there's no need to explain it to you.

Many. The company was removing the HEPA air filters to save money. Sure had more than one wet sock smell event.

For those of us who do work here, and pay attention, what the heck are you guys talking about?

I was woken up by an unknown chemical mist coming from my AC vent while layover in CAN, started coughing and eyes watering immediately. Also at least a dozen times, there be a marshmallow dude walking down the hallways spraying a mister with unknown chemical. Don’t know how many times while turning through CHY-NA, they marshmallows came on board and sprayed the cargo bay, galley and cockpit with unknown chemicals, they would also spray down the inside of the crew busses before and after we rode them, so there.

Someone who spent the pandemic sitting at home, not working, on full pay courtesy of US taxpayer dollars doesn't get to contribute to this conversation or ask for more.

PSA is offering a $250k bonus to you guys. No night flying and no unknown chemicals to worry about. It’s a nicer lifestyle. Consider it.

No thanks. Chemicals were a covid thing. That's not an issue anymore. We'll get the pay bump we deserve eventually. In the meantime, I'll take my QOL any day. I fly nights in Asia, which is days back home. But, I don't care what airline you fly for - if you're flying international (absent US to South America), you're most likely going to get your body clock a bit screwed up. Comes with the territory. I fly 10-20 actual block hours a month for 75-90+ credit hours of pay. I deadhead to work in first class while getting paid all on the company's dime. I fly one to two legs a day/night with 24-48 hours off between duty periods. This month I work 10 days with 5 revenue legs and 11 hours of block plus two days of vacation for 72 hours of pay. Last month it was 13 days of work, 7 legs, 17 hours of block for 88 hours of pay due to a one day trip extension. I take at least two months off per year with full pay with vacation. I make $400K plus per year. So, why on God's green earth would I take a $250K one time payment to then work for less than half of what I make per year, flying 80-90 actual block hours with zero seniority and flow to AA for the same deal. After year two, that $250K bonus has been washed out by my lost wages going to a lower paying job - never mind the lack of seniority, vacation and scheduling flexibility. FedEx international is not even the same airline as the guys slugging it out domestically flying night hub-turns. I don't blame a junior FO for choosing to leave. But there's no way I would ever go back to flying 80-90 hard hours per month at a legacy pax carrier with PBS. When I get my medical every 6-months, my normal reported flight hours is usually 100-120 hours for the last 6 months.

Maybe a good option for some junior FedEx guy who already has a sh!tty domestic schedule and isn't willing to wait for the benefits of future seniority. Definitely not my cup of tea. But thanks for the suggestion.

At this rate, your cushy OAK life will most likely be operational legs thru ANC in short order. Like the CGN closure, it’s all about cost savings at this FedEx.

Ok. :confused: Connect the dots for us on that. OAK moves freight intra-Asia. There would have to be freight available to move from OAK to ANC and then on various locations in Asia. That already happens with 777s and MD-11s more efficiently than with payload limited 767s. Aside from KIX or NRT, a 767 isn't a very efficient option for moving freight from ANC to Asia. Hence, the reason FedEx hasn't been doing it that way. Even if FedEx decides to increase 767 frequency through ANC, do you really think that's gonna accommodate the 170-190 crews necessary to support the current APAC 767 schedule? The "cushy" OAK schedules are here for the foreseeable future. So, jump in and join us, the water's fine. Oh? Can't hold it? Then shut the F up and pay your dues like the rest of us did until you can hold what you want. Or, go to legacy X, Y or Z and fly your 80-90 hard hours with PBS. It's nice to have options. Not all of them are quite as obvious as some might think and might have some layers to the pros and cons. Good luck with your choice.

Sounds like from guys there that the writing is on the wall. 250K is nothing to sneeze at and allows u to get airline experience to get hired fast at the majors. 175K upfront nice!

I was responding to the guys suggestion to me. If someone else's situation supports taking the easy pay, then do it. There's no one size fits all solution. If you need fast money now, then it's a no brainer. But someone else might see the benefit of better pay over more years overriding the quick $250K followed by lower pay and reduced QOL. Either way, it's nice to have options.

Hahaha. If you don’t think the Asia flying can be replaced by a cheaper operator like the Europe flying is currently being replaced, you have your head buried in the sand. We get it Dave, you think FDX is the greatest place on earth. We don’t need to read paragraph long diatribes about how little you work, how much money you make, and how easy your schedule is. And while you’re at it, stop trying to defend that massive turd TA ALPA tried to shove down our throats.

[QUOTE=FreightFlyer91;3720169]Hahaha. If you don’t think the Asia flying can be replaced by a cheaper operator like the Europe flying is currently being replaced, you have your head buried in the sand.
I guess we have a future PSA captain right here. Good luck to you sir on your Northern tier 6 legs a day tour!

[QUOTE=Stan446;3720201]I’m definitely not going to PSA. I have a side gig and don’t even need the FDX money. Did you take your meds yet Stan? Aren’t you the one who said the negotiating committee threw us under the bus again when the TA came out, and then a week later began to hard sell the TA? Talk about bipolar.

Adler. Nothing but respect for you. But you’re responding to folks that are trolling for an emotional rise.

Yup. But sometimes I still gotta do it.

So, are you just trolling the various FedEx threads looking for opportunities to shoehorn your talking points into random discussions?
First, I have no reason to talk up FedEx. If it doesn't suit someone and they think they made a mistake coming here, then go. Zero fooks given. My "diatribe" was a simple response to someone suggesting that I (that's me - listed as a 767 Captain right under my username) take the PSA bonus and enjoy a "nicer lifestyle". It wouldn't be a nicer lifestyle for me and the only way to explain that was to give specifics. Discussing my pay was used as a counter to the perceived benefits of a short term $250K money grab without considering the longer term effects. That's the long and the short of it. I had no other point.

So you come on here and decide to bring the TA into this along with the typical outsourcing/scope talking points. There's nothing in my posts that has any defense of the TA. I'm good with the outcome of the vote and I'm doing what I can to promote unity and the effort for a better version in round two. I generally try to avoid wasted effort (other than an occasional trip to APC these days) and trying to defend a TA that's already been voted on would be a serious waste of time. As far as your simplistic concern over outsourcing Asia flying and my head in the sand, I think you need to spend some time getting smarter on 7/8/9th freedoms. Those are typically set up between host nations in either bilateral or multilateral agreements. They also apply to specific airlines in many cases. Just because FedEx has route authority between two specific countries doesn't mean they can just pass that on to whatever demon airline they want to fly our freight and replace us all in your doomsday scenario. Asia doesn't have the open skies style multi-lateral agreement like the EU does. I won't say "never" but for now and at least a reasonable distance into the future, outsourcing our jobs in Asia isn't the closest alligator to the boat by a long shot, IMO.

our scope doesn't prevent a different carrier from using a fedex callsign while operating a "fedex flight" for us.

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” -Winston Churchill

Time to start taking care of the alligators, near and far. Our EU narrowbody flying is going to zero. Zero. Time to wake up and protect our dedicated freighter network. Time to wake up and demand industry standard pay. Time to wake up and demand industry standard QOL.

A once proud job in this industry has been sullied by someone that a few purple apologist would call “sincere”. You aren’t simply “working” for Purple, you’re trading half of your life, in your prime, on the road, and why? So that this company can provide a service. If it is as unnecessary as the author of the email suggests, then perhaps the powers that be should stop offering it to customers.

I’m giving these shareholders years of my life, years I’ll never get back, for them to sleep soundly at home every night while I sleep in substandard hotel rooms with industry worst pay and QOL and hit the “trade” button.

What do you truly deserve? What do we truly deserve?

Nice flame bait troll. Have fun in your XBox gaming basement getting beat by 12 year olds.

-Bubs