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Pinkdog 01-18-2024 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by CloudSailor;[url=tel:3750257
3750257]The very day the POS TA was to become our CBA, how many hundreds of credit hours (over 1,000?) dropped into MD-11 open time?

(Facts and rumors).

7,000 if I remember correctly

CloudSailor 01-19-2024 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Pinkdog (Post 3754790)
7,000 if I remember correctly

Thanks for answering.

I knew it was over 1,000. But 7,000 WB credit hours - amazingly dropping into Open Time the very day that our new concessionary CBA was to take effect. That is just such an insane coincidence!

Remember the old distractions and disinformation, as pats ramp up the fear and uncertainty necessary for 50%+1 on TA 1.1 - due before the end of the April bid month.

CactusMan 01-19-2024 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by CloudSailor (Post 3755035)
Thanks for answering.

Remember the old distractions and disinformation, as pats ramp up the fear and uncertainty necessary for 50%+1 on TA 1.1 - due before the end of the April bid month.

I think the window for 50.1% might be almost completely shut. Recalls voted for this week would have to run for 30 days and if the votes were rushed, that would leave a little over a week the end of Feb for the MEC to vote and send TA1.1 to the pilot group…before the LEC 26 permanent reps take their seats 1 Mar.

Attempt 1 to temporarily fill LEC 26 with old guard failed as 2/3 elected reps took the interim seats. I argue this week was attempt 2 to get those seats filled with old guard, and any others would be a bonus.

IF (and that’s a big if, I get it) the senior/older retirement crowd is pushing for a TA1.1 that still improves retirement at the expense of QOL, pay and scope (what TA1 did - pitting senior vs junior), they have two deadlines approaching that make it difficult to forward another concessionary contract. The first deadline is 1 Mar, when LEC 26 elected reps take their permanent seats. The second deadline is when PM is replaced. Cancellation of Tuesday’s meeting effectively closed the door for the MEC to send TA1.1 to the pilot group before 1 Mar.

Tell me where I screwed up that math 🤷🏼‍♂️

opt0712 01-19-2024 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by CactusMan (Post 3755480)
I think the window for 50.1% might be almost completely shut. Recalls voted for this week would have to run for 30 days and if the votes were rushed, that would leave a little over a week the end of Feb for the MEC to vote and send TA1.1 to the pilot group…before the LEC 26 permanent reps take their seats 1 Mar.

Attempt 1 to temporarily fill LEC 26 with old guard failed as 2/3 elected reps took the interim seats. I argue this week was attempt 2 to get those seats filled with old guard, and any others would be a bonus.

IF (and that’s a big if, I get it) the senior/older retirement crowd is pushing for a TA1.1 that still improves retirement at the expense of QOL, pay and scope (what TA1 did - pitting senior vs junior), they have two deadlines approaching that make it difficult to forward another concessionary contract. The first deadline is 1 Mar, when LEC 26 elected reps take their permanent seats. The second deadline is when PM is replaced. Cancellation of Tuesday’s meeting effectively closed the door for the MEC to send TA1.1 to the pilot group before 1 Mar.

Tell me where I screwed up that math 🤷🏼‍♂️

Sounds right on.

plzdontfireme 01-20-2024 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by CactusMan (Post 3755480)
I think the window for 50.1% might be almost completely shut. Recalls voted for this week would have to run for 30 days and if the votes were rushed, that would leave a little over a week the end of Feb for the MEC to vote and send TA1.1 to the pilot group…before the LEC 26 permanent reps take their seats 1 Mar.

Attempt 1 to temporarily fill LEC 26 with old guard failed as 2/3 elected reps took the interim seats. I argue this week was attempt 2 to get those seats filled with old guard, and any others would be a bonus.

IF (and that’s a big if, I get it) the senior/older retirement crowd is pushing for a TA1.1 that still improves retirement at the expense of QOL, pay and scope (what TA1 did - pitting senior vs junior), they have two deadlines approaching that make it difficult to forward another concessionary contract. The first deadline is 1 Mar, when LEC 26 elected reps take their permanent seats. The second deadline is when PM is replaced. Cancellation of Tuesday’s meeting effectively closed the door for the MEC to send TA1.1 to the pilot group before 1 Mar.

Tell me where I screwed up that math 🤷🏼‍♂️

You're correct. However we should not be surprised to see more antics from the Silent Majority Bitter Minority crowd. It appears that they have weaponized the company's legal department and put at least 5 pilots on NOQ so far from what I've found. As we've already seen by their creation and interrim-rep interference, they are not going to go down easily, nor quietly.

The Walrus 01-20-2024 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by plzdontfireme (Post 3755936)
You're correct. However we should not be surprised to see more antics from the Silent Majority Bitter Minority crowd. It appears that they have weaponized the company's legal department and put at least 5 pilots on NOQ so far from what I've found. As we've already seen by their creation and interrim-rep interference, they are not going to go down easily, nor quietly.

Could you expand on the noq pilots?

max8222 01-20-2024 05:10 PM

Expand, How did you find this? More misinformation? Provide facts.

plzdontfireme 01-23-2024 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 3756031)
Could you expand on the noq pilots?


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3756047)
Expand, How did you find this? More misinformation? Provide facts.

Not sure how exactly I can expand otherwise I would. Contact your block rep for more info, just expect a biased answer if they are one of the block reps in the SM.

max8222 01-23-2024 11:26 AM

If you can't provide reliable facts then it is just rumours. I would ask my block rep TC but he doesn't answer emails. To busy trying to recall reps that do not align with his pack.

kronan 01-23-2024 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by CloudSailor (Post 3755035)
Thanks for answering.

I knew it was over 1,000. But 7,000 WB credit hours - amazingly dropping into Open Time the very day that our new concessionary CBA was to take effect. That is just such an insane coincidence!

Remember the old distractions and disinformation, as pats ramp up the fear and uncertainty necessary for 50%+1 on TA 1.1 - due before the end of the April bid month.

And the very next day our Union confirmed they were the result of an additional customer pickup.

And the very next month they were in the bidpack.

From the assertions, pretty odd not to see a pretty hefty cancellation fee hit the books\streets.
Or maybe our Wet Lease contracts are just like our hotel contracts, we reserve the right to cancel them with 24 hours advance notice at no cost to us


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