Not to mention the 1.38 billion we just made in one quarter. I honestly don’t know how they can justify any furlough, but they will somehow.

 

No one on mngement is on our side... exactly. When I hear 'we are buying 20 x 767s'. There is no we it is the company and then you. And they don't give a F about you

 

Managment would love for no one to apply here....would justify the need to wetlease, contract out our flying. "We just do not have the pilots to do the flying we need so we Have to contract"

 

We *should* picking up the pitchforks...just not for anyone who is a seniority list pilot.

 

Don’t be so naïve. He might be a nice guy, but if he was on our side, he would have been removed from his position a long time ago.

 

Collective anger and frustration is effective only when it's properly focused and aimed. Without focusing and aiming it becomes a self-destructive thing. We went through some similar stuff at my place a few years back. Their playbook is to wear you all down, and you'll wind up agreeing to previously offered terms or less. Their strategy hinges on your resolve failing. Your defense hinges on endurance.

You need to last. Your respective tribal leaders need to get together and talk enough to come up with a shared list of common values. You need a statement about all pilots being on "our" team regardless of whether they pick up a trip or something. Finally you need a focusing statement to get pressure off of each other and back on to the shoulders who should bear it. You need to last until hiring picks back up or this thing gets adjudicated (If that's in the cards. I don't know.).

A lot of us come from a background where our job was to see threats and sieze initiative before those threats can act themselves. That primes us to see the bad. How else do you protect the poeple counting on you? It also means we can get a little cross-eyed sometimes. This is natural, and it's a by-product of being good at what you do. Still, we all need to get aligned sometimes. Without this periodic reallignment the outlook just gets darker and darker until it's hopeless.

So we come back to collective anger and frustration. Focused and aimed it's an amazing thing. Forgive each other a little bit and target the other side's weaknesse. They have many.

 

Im in the same situation. Send me a pm if you want to talk. 6yrs here.

 

I like your pep talk friend, I really do. Unfortunately, we don’t find ourselves in the situation as you’ve described with friend / foe identities delineated so clearly. There are a substantial number of our “brothers” that will work more than their fair share to actively undermine the Union. Here, we have no problem with working extra days, voluntarily extending, or picking up disputed pairings. Those that do are the loudest voices in the room and the first to deflect all blame onto The Pancake Man. These are the smartest people with the highest understanding of what leverage is and isn’t. Some of us came to this conclusion early and some are getting around to it.

 

Much of the general vibe and mistrust falls on PM and his squad of company kool-aide drinkers. Entitled millionaires who thought they were owed something because of the time in which they were hired and the time in which they have left. Nothing more.

MSL culture and brotherhood seized to exist when the the words “I know you’re worried about your job security, but we have a fiduciary obligation to make these retiring pilots whole. Anything less is unconscionable” came out of his mouth.

Yet, the SM still live and breath by his words in their crybaby group-think. Still angered by the TA rejection and continually making excuse after excuse for the company and proclaiming that the no-voters are being “unreasonable” in their demands for fair and equal pay and QOL.

Yes, it’s that bad. The culture is rotten. And you know exactly who allowed it.

 

the culture is worse than rotten. They all convinced us it was the best job in aviation and American Delta and United didn’t hold a candle. We all come and start looking around the room at each other then finally someone says this place kind of sucks then like you are talking about their ugly daughter or something they snap back at you well if you don’t like it you can leave.

they actually argue we don’t deserve pay raises as high because we don’t fly as much or don’t fly 4 legs a day without knowing we absolutely fly as many legs we just happen to have longer layovers a lot of the time which is pretty much essential after you are about to die of sleep deprivation after doing 3-4 legs a night from the hours of 8pm-8am 4 nights in a row. I would say 75% of the time at FedEx you are flying airplanes fatigued but that’s just the job so everyone does it. If the airports weren’t empty when we operate it wouldn’t be possible because we just coast in direct to final taxi to the ramp.

mental health my ***. They are waging mental warfare against the entire group. I don’t think our middle managers are waging the warfare and I keep seeing people say they are good guys they don’t agree with managements latest decisions. If that were really the case the scp the fcps and even the duty officers would all step down and say we’re not doing it we’re done. What you are doing is wrong. Put me back on the line.

place sucks diq