Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   FedEx (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fedex/)
-   -   Yeah! Foreign replacements inbound (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fedex/151883-yeah-foreign-replacements-inbound.html)

MELedMel 12-23-2025 08:14 AM

Yeah! Foreign replacements inbound
 
At first they came for the ground guys, but I didn’t speak up as I was a pilot

A multibillion-dollar federal delivery contract awarded to FedEx coincided with a sharp rise in the company's use of foreign workers, even as it carried out large-scale layoffs of U.S. employees across multiple states.

In December 2022, the U.S. Transportation Command selected FedEx and two other firms to provide package delivery services for government agencies under an indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract with a total face value of $2.24 billion, according to a report by GovCon Wire.
The award covered the Next Generation Delivery Service-2 program, with a base performance period running from April 1, 2023, through September 30, 2026, and options that could extend the work through September 30, 2030.
Since that award, publicly available immigration data show a substantial increase in FedEx's hiring of foreign workers through the H-1B visa program...

https://dallasexpress.com/business-m...off-americans/

No comment yet from Fedex CEO Rajesh Subramaniam.

P-3Bubba 12-23-2025 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3984598)
At first they came for the ground guys, but I didn’t speak up as I was a pilot

A multibillion-dollar federal delivery contract awarded to FedEx coincided with a sharp rise in the company's use of foreign workers, even as it carried out large-scale layoffs of U.S. employees across multiple states.

In December 2022, the U.S. Transportation Command selected FedEx and two other firms to provide package delivery services for government agencies under an indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract with a total face value of $2.24 billion, according to a report by GovCon Wire.
The award covered the Next Generation Delivery Service-2 program, with a base performance period running from April 1, 2023, through September 30, 2026, and options that could extend the work through September 30, 2030.
Since that award, publicly available immigration data show a substantial increase in FedEx's hiring of foreign workers through the H-1B visa program...

https://dallasexpress.com/business-m...off-americans/

No comment yet from Fedex CEO Rajesh Subramaniam.


It’s from 2022. Kind of late to the story. It’s propaganda. I got excited when I saw it too but there’s not much to it. I still think R-Dog and Brownie and Dr D suck.

-Bubs

TiredSoul 12-23-2025 12:57 PM

Connect the dots much?
How can you compare technical/IT level with warehouse workers?
From the article:


lower-level business or technical jobs, including titles such as “DIGITAL MARKETING ADVISOR” and “ENGINEERING SPECIALIST ADVISOR,” with listed salaries generally ranging from about $100,000 to $115,000.

​​​​​​​In November 2025, the company disclosed in a Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification letter that it would eliminate 856 positions at a Coppell warehouse as part of a permanent shutdown scheduled to be completed by April 29, 2026. A company spokesman said the closure was driven “solely by our customer’s decision to transition its business to a new location that will be managed by a new third-party logistics provider,” according to the letter published in the Texas WARN database and reported at the time by The Dallas Express.
Yoo don’t qualify for an H1B visa as a warehouse worker or dishwasher or fruit picker.
Rage bait.

MELedMel 12-23-2025 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul;[url=tel:3984737
3984737[/url]]Connect the dots much?
How can you compare technical/IT level with warehouse workers?
From the article:





Yoo don’t qualify for an H1B visa as a warehouse worker or dishwasher or fruit picker.
Rage bait.

My weary companion, let’s clarify this with some clear eyed reasoning.

H1B and E3 visas aren’t targeting minimum wage positions, the ones open to young workers or the economically vulnerable. They’re aimed squarely at middle and upper middle class professional roles.

Worse still, even if no single job is “taken,” the increased supply of cheap labor depresses wage growth across those fields.

If betrayal by one’s own institutions, watching the steady degradation of the work that consumes our finite time and keeps us from those we care about stirs anger, then perhaps that “rage” is not only justified, but necessary.

MELedMel 12-23-2025 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by P-3Bubba;[url=tel:3984634
3984634[/url]]It’s from 2022. Kind of late to the story. It’s propaganda. I got excited when I saw it too but there’s not much to it. I still think R-Dog and Brownie and Dr D suck.

-Bubs

Article was written THIS MONTH, got to read more than a few sentences lol

https://i.ibb.co/vxZdQMTK/IMG-0124.jpg



Merle Haggard 12-24-2025 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3984598)
At first they came for the ground guys, but I didn’t speak up as I was a pilot

A multibillion-dollar federal delivery contract awarded to FedEx coincided with a sharp rise in the company's use of foreign workers, even as it carried out large-scale layoffs of U.S. employees across multiple states.

In December 2022, the U.S. Transportation Command selected FedEx and two other firms to provide package delivery services for government agencies under an indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract with a total face value of $2.24 billion, according to a report by GovCon Wire.
The award covered the Next Generation Delivery Service-2 program, with a base performance period running from April 1, 2023, through September 30, 2026, and options that could extend the work through September 30, 2030.
Since that award, publicly available immigration data show a substantial increase in FedEx's hiring of foreign workers through the H-1B visa program...

https://dallasexpress.com/business-m...off-americans/

No comment yet from Fedex CEO Rajesh Subramaniam.

Anyone wish to wager as to what country 99% of these visa holders are coming from?

Thrust Hold 12-24-2025 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3985124)
Anyone wish to wager as to what country 99% of these visa holders are coming from?

I’m sure they refer to Collierville as the “Raj Mahal.”

P-3Bubba 12-25-2025 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3984832)
Article was written THIS MONTH, got to read more than a few sentences lol

https://i.ibb.co/vxZdQMTK/IMG-0124.jpg


Look at when that contract was awarded. 😴

KC10 FATboy 12-28-2025 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 3984634)
It’s from 2022. Kind of late to the story. It’s propaganda. I got excited when I saw it too but there’s not much to it. I still think R-Dog and Brownie and Dr D suck.

-Bubs

Not propaganda. In my neighborhood (Shelby County) it is common to see Indians walking around throughout the neighborhood. That wasn't a thing when I first moved here over a decade ago.

The 2020 Census has Collierville having a 13.1% Asian demographic. According to the US News World Report, Asian students now outrank Black students in the Collierville school system.

They built a pretty big Indian Cultural Center and Temple off Highway 64. We also have the new Memphis Minor Cricket League which formed in 2024 and play at three locations: Collierville, Bartlett, and Hickory Hill.

Something is attracting Indians to the Memphis area. Even the Minister of Defense Shri Singh came to Memphis, TN in 2024 and together with our CEO they spoke about Indian-diaspora. Coincidence? I'm sure it's a nothing burger.



https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...es-in-america/

P-3Bubba 12-29-2025 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 3986205)
Not propaganda. In my neighborhood (Shelby County) it is common to see Indians walking around throughout the neighborhood. That wasn't a thing when I first moved here over a decade ago.

The 2020 Census has Collierville having a 13.1% Asian demographic. According to the US News World Report, Asian students now outrank Black students in the Collierville school system.

They built a pretty big Indian Cultural Center and Temple off Highway 64. We also have the new Memphis Minor Cricket League which formed in 2024 and play at three locations: Collierville, Bartlett, and Hickory Hill.

Something is attracting Indians to the Memphis area. Even the Minister of Defense Shri Singh came to Memphis, TN in 2024 and together with our CEO they spoke about Indian-diaspora. Coincidence? I'm sure it's a nothing burger.



https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...es-in-america/


Im not getting into a politically motivated immigration discussion.

-Bubs

MELedMel 12-29-2025 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 3986284)
Im not getting into a politically motivated immigration discussion.

-Bubs

Government run schools and media are such a blessing to large corps

See here, a man who his own government is working to replace with non citizen third world labor, is too scared to speak up because it might be “talking politics” “racism” or whatever other nonsense, vs what it really is which is big corps working hand and hand with paid for policy to lower his QOL.

cactusmike 12-29-2025 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3986309)
Government run schools and media are such a blessing to large corps

See here, a man who his own government is working to replace with non citizen third world labor, is too scared to speak up because it might be “talking politics” “racism” or whatever other nonsense, vs what it really is which is big corps working hand and hand with paid for policy to lower his QOL.


You are a real piece of anal craftsmanship. You just go from thread to thread looking for something immigration to whine about. I can pretty much guarantee that any foreign pilot I’ve ever flown with in the last 40 years was a better person than you are.

Reality check, US pilots are employed all over the world. I was hired as a 737 captain at a Korean airline back in the early 90s.

MELedMel 12-29-2025 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike;[url=tel:3986413
3986413[/url]]You are a real piece of anal craftsmanship. You just go from thread to thread looking for something immigration to whine about. I can pretty much guarantee that any foreign pilot I’ve ever flown with in the last 40 years was a better person than you are.

Reality check, US pilots are employed all over the world. I was hired as a 737 captain at a Korean airline back in the early 90s.


You’re damn straight

Where I see US corporations / US politicians selling American labor down the river for lower cost foreign labor I call that **** out

You should too

Merle Haggard 12-30-2025 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 3986413)
Reality check, US pilots are employed all over the world. I was hired as a 737 captain at a Korean airline back in the early 90s.

Reality check. Your point is not a point. US pilots are hired around the world where there is a shortage of qualified pilots. They are not hired to break the backs of indigenous pilots.

dera 12-30-2025 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3986855)
Reality check. Your point is not a point. US pilots are hired around the world where there is a shortage of qualified pilots. They are not hired to break the backs of indigenous pilots.

This hasn't always been true. Read about the 1989 Australian pilot disputes. They hired a bunch of US pilots to be scabs.

Elevation 12-30-2025 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3986855)
Reality check. Your point is not a point. US pilots are hired around the world where there is a shortage of qualified pilots. They are not hired to break the backs of indigenous pilots.

The Americans that were working in Australia and New Zealand postwar definitely undercut Aussie and Kiwi pilots returning from service with Bomber Command, etc. Americans flying within Europe had an effect on wage growth there. Americans flying at Asian carriers make it possible for Asian nations to have anemic indigenous training systems.

I am against E3 hiring. We have also been in exactly the same position as these Aussies too. Let's not pretend the Aussies are doing anything we haven't done before. End the hiring, but don't go after the specific pilots. Nobody is going to achieve higher compensation by forming a schism within the anybody"s pilot group.

acecrackshot 12-31-2025 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3986904)
This hasn't always been true. Read about the 1989 Australian pilot disputes. They hired a bunch of US pilots to be scabs.

And those individuals were noted on a certain list that cannot be named that protected a seat.

acecrackshot 12-31-2025 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 3986909)
The Americans that were working in Australia and New Zealand postwar definitely undercut Aussie and Kiwi pilots returning from service with Bomber Command, etc. Americans flying within Europe had an effect on wage growth there. Americans flying at Asian carriers make it possible for Asian nations to have anemic indigenous training systems.

I am against E3 hiring. We have also been in exactly the same position as these Aussies too. Let's not pretend the Aussies are doing anything we haven't done before. End the hiring, but don't go after the specific pilots. Nobody is going to achieve higher compensation by forming a schism within the anybody"s pilot group.

The numbers of Americans at AUS and NZ outfits was a vanishing minority of the pilots employed there. I remember all of the Anglospheric nations pulling up the drawbridge on American pilots (even at places like Cathay) post 9/11 and GFC. It was a thing.

I mean, my assessment is that the Aussie pilots here on even their visa carve out are engaging in visa use that was outside the original intent, but the reality is that carve out was signed as part of the GWOT.

Lionhaart 12-31-2025 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 3986413)
You are a real piece of anal craftsmanship. You just go from thread to thread looking for something immigration to whine about. I can pretty much guarantee that any foreign pilot I’ve ever flown with in the last 40 years was a better person than you are.

Reality check, US pilots are employed all over the world. I was hired as a 737 captain at a Korean airline back in the early 90s.

Were you part of a Korean union? I even wonder if the Korean pilots ever even talked to you. I can assure you that Korean companies would have had no problem canceling the contract to protect their own pilots.

Elevation 12-31-2025 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by acecrackshot (Post 3987141)
The numbers of Americans at AUS and NZ outfits was a vanishing minority of the pilots employed there. I remember all of the Anglospheric nations pulling up the drawbridge on American pilots (even at places like Cathay) post 9/11 and GFC. It was a thing.

I mean, my assessment is that the Aussie pilots here on even their visa carve out are engaging in visa use that was outside the original intent, but the reality is that carve out was signed as part of the GWOT.

Agreed. The use of E3 hires is far and away outside of the original intent of the visa. I'm arguing against skewering the pilots already on property. I am, however, against the abuse of the E3 program which has occurred.

Merle Haggard 01-02-2026 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3986855)
Reality check. Your point is not a point. US pilots are hired around the world where there is a shortage of qualified pilots. They are not hired to break the backs of indigenous pilots.


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3986904)
This hasn't always been true. Read about the 1989 Australian pilot disputes. They hired a bunch of US pilots to be scabs.

You're talking about one-off corner cases. 99.99% of US pilots hired abroad are hired simply because the local supply does not exist. Arguing otherwise is a red herring (and I'm quite certain uyou already know this).

Eudaimonia 01-02-2026 03:02 PM

If the issue is with E3 Visa pilots, then it’s absolutely not a corner case to mention the ‘89 Pilots’ Dispute. The use of scab labor (with fast-track Australian CITIZENSHIP, granting of Australian licences without training or validation) destroyed the airline career path in Australia. It’s the reason so many Aussie pilots embrace the opportunity to come to the US. They’re paid the same as us, so hardly “cheap labor from third world countries”.

Not that many would, but US pilots can (& have) flown in Australia on the local and less restrictive 457 Visa so it’s not a one way street.

Temocil27 01-03-2026 02:01 PM

It’s a slow news week around here.. so God
bless those brave ASL pilots that went off roading at their home base trying to deliver packages to our customers. Bravo Zulu pour vous

MELedMel 01-03-2026 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 3988009)
It’s a slow news week around here.. so God
bless those brave ASL pilots that went off roading at their home base trying to deliver packages to our customers. Bravo Zulu pour vous

Been drinking?

Temocil27 01-04-2026 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3988076)
Been drinking?

me or them?

P-3Bubba 01-04-2026 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 3988009)
It’s a slow news week around here.. so God
bless those brave ASL pilots that went off roading at their home base trying to deliver packages to our customers. Bravo Zulu pour vous


Those guys were probably counting their money on the console. Got distracted.

Another year at FedSux. Another $0 annual raise. And the costs of living keep inflating. Thanks FedSux! Thanks Brownie. Prob can’t feel the squeeze at Raj’s house too. Dr Dimento was right. Shouldda gone to PSA.

-Bubs

Dakota 01-04-2026 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by P-3Bubba;[url=tel:3988188
3988188[/url]]Those guys were probably counting their money on the console. Got distracted.

Another year at FedSux. Another $0 annual raise. And the costs of living keep inflating. Thanks FedSux! Thanks Brownie. Prob can’t feel the squeeze at Raj’s house too. Dr Dimento was right. Shouldda gone to PSA.

-Bubs

Why don’t you? You’re obviously unhappy here. Life’s too short dude.

P-3Bubba 01-05-2026 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 3988274)
Why don’t you? You’re obviously unhappy here. Life’s too short dude.


So, I should be content sitting here as this company has proven to be anything BUT what they promised? How invested am I now? Sure I'll just pick up and start over. Ive been misled here for close to 5 years that the carrot of a contract is right around the corner. Whatever. Everyone knows the story. You don't like me talking smack against the THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL FEDSUX? Seriously, you love coming here to see what they've taken from your quality of life next? DRIVE IT TO THE GROUND! Maybe you haven't spoken to anyone that flew the last 2 weeks at this dumpster fire. There's more stability at Air Venezuela than this operation.
-Bubs

rickair7777 01-05-2026 07:30 AM

Five years in? Unless you retired as a 30-year O6+ I'd consider DL or UA.

FDX doesn't seem to have a dire need to recruit or retain, as their business model is shifting? So no urgency on their part to hand you guys a good deal?

Pendulum will swing back eventually, but how much time do you have to wait it out?

dera 01-05-2026 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3988418)
Five years in? Unless you retired as a 30-year O6+ I'd consider DL or UA.

FDX doesn't seem to have a dire need to recruit or retain, as their business model is shifting? So no urgency on their part to hand you guys a good deal?

Pendulum will swing back eventually, but how much time do you have to wait it out?

When Fedex hired a lawyer with no finance background, but who is the biggest pilot hater since Lorenzo, to be their CFO, the Fedex negotiations were doomed.
Our (Atlas) profit margins have tripled since we fired JD and the market rates have been relatively flat.

Elevation 01-05-2026 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3988493)
Who cares about their profits when they pay peanuts.

Caring about who’s the CEO CFO or the company profits at atlas is like a steak and shake fry boy talking about the CEOs golf game. Atlas doesn’t pay enough to burn even more of my time reading about the top of that pyramid

I thought you work for Atlas.

Temocil27 01-05-2026 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by MELedMel (Post 3988493)
Who cares about their profits when they pay peanuts.

Caring about who’s the CEO CFO or the company profits at atlas is like a steak and shake fry boy talking about the CEOs golf game. Atlas doesn’t pay enough to burn even more of my time reading about the top of that pyramid

been drinking?

GoDeltaNotFedEx 01-13-2026 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3988462)
When Fedex hired a lawyer with no finance background, but who is the biggest pilot hater since Lorenzo, to be their CFO, the Fedex negotiations were doomed.
Our (Atlas) profit margins have tripled since we fired JD and the market rates have been relatively flat.

Any friend who tells a young pilot to choose FedEx over Delta, United, American, or Southwest is no friend at all. Don't trust the hype!

Hungover 01-14-2026 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by GoDeltaNotFedEx (Post 3991522)
Any friend who tells a young pilot to choose FedEx over Delta, United, American, or Southwest is no friend at all. Don't trust the hype!


What hype? Other than the dusty old squadron buddies who have zero industry awareness.

MELedMel 01-14-2026 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 3988558)
been drinking?

On atlas pay?

Maybe tap water out of a hose lol


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:03 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands