SIC time
 

Sounds like American says in their application process that Military folks can count dual time (UPT) time as SIC time. The FedEx website doesn’t specify. If I use my dual time as SIC time would I be wrong?

Yes.
Absent specific instruction from the airline as with AA, you have no basis to support doing that. You’re talking about claiming time as an unqualified student pilot receiving instruction in the same category as a winged KC-10 co-pilot flying in an airframe where he is a required crew member.
Frankly, I’m very surprised AA has allowed that, but it’s their sandbox.

Ok, then where do I put those hours under T-6/T-1? There is no student or dual time section? Since when can’t a student not be SIC? Pretty sure that you can log PIC as a student as well on a solo?

Where? How about total time.

Hank,
You're mistaking what FARs or Mil regulations might allow you to log and what airline X says they will allow in a particular category. They have nothing to do with each other.

SIC is a specific role in an aircraft that requires two pilots to operate. Can you fly a T-6 solo? Yes. Then putting another guy in the other seat (especially one that's a student) doesn't mean he's the SIC. One might be able to argue differently for a T-1, but in terms of applying to airlines, it's entirely up to them. If airline X says UPT student time in a T-6 or T-1 is okay to count as SIC, then do it. If not, then don't. If you want to go toe to toe with someone in an interview room and try to convince them that dual received student time in a T-6 or T-1 counts as SIC when their rules say something different, you're absolutely going to lose.

Same thing for solo UPT time. At one point, UAL didn't allow any time to be logged as PIC prior to having your wings. i.e. solo UPT time didn't count.
It's up to the airline.

I understand what you are saying, and Airlineapps has specific areas to log student/dual time. But the new FEDEX app site doesn't have anything other than PIC, SIC, and Instructor. You can't simply fill out your total time for any aircraft, you must fill in your hours in 1 of those 3 categories. And having attended UPT I also do not think it's wise to leave out any any aircraft you have flown from the application. I just sent an email though to FEDEX ProQuestions for clarification so I will share what I find once they respond. Thanks

You put it in your Total Time and not include it in PIC or SIC totals.

It’s as if these questions haven’t been asked 1000 times before.

Are you familiar with FEDEX application? If so please explain to me where you can enter hours outside of the categories of PIC, SIC or instructor. There is no section for total time for each aircraft. So your only option then would be to not list those hours at all but If someone answers the question that they went to UPT but doesn’t have any T6 or T1 time on their application I am sure that will raise more questions than logging student time as as SIC. One of my good friends who is a recent hire at Fedex logged student time as SIC and there was no issues whatsoever in his interview.

It’s pretty standard to log those hours as SIC and in the comments write “XX T-6 hrs flown dual in UPT but logged in this SIC column.” Don’t overthink it. You’d be better served getting your 8-10 stories ready of times you had a conflict with another crew member, why you want to fly for FedEx, times you dealt with fatigue etc. Good luck!

This is what I did with my civilian dual received time before I was rated (non-solo instruction received before I had my private license, and multi dual training received before I had a multi license). In the comments section I wrote "SIC time is dual received not logged as PIC." If anybody ask in an interview, I did it that way so that my logbook matches with my application.

I think it's good you're seeking info directly from FedEx. Hopefully they clarify this for you and you can pass that on to others.

Perhaps this is just what it appears. FedEx is concerned about those who meet their hiring mins/preferred times which apparently have nothing do with total time. Maybe the assumption that times from the categories they do allow to be input into their application are somehow totaled to give an overall total time are wrong.

From the credentials section of their website:
1,500 multi engine turbine or Jet, that being either PIC or SIC (GTOW of 12.5K or more)

1,000 hrs of PIC Turbine (preferred) - also GTOW of 12.5K or more

So, maybe they only have inputs for PIC/SIC/IP because that's all they care about. It sounds like this is a situation that should be clarified. Putting student time in a SIC might have worked for some, but that really doesn't meet the letter of the law that FedEx has put on their credentials site.

T-6 is about half the 12.5K GTOW requirement, so is that even a factor in this discussion?

True. It would only apply to T-38C (12,800 GTOW).

On all my apps I put down SIC equals duel received. But maybe that’s why the phone’s not ringing. I’ll be interested to hear what they say.

So what’s going on with hiring? Are they running interviews? Number goal for number of new hires this year and next? Internal job fair ever again?

The last hiring update from March reiterated that Purple is hiring about 450 per year. A different update about the same time period said 400-600 in the next 12-18 months.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2786581-post57.html

There are no indications of any further internal job fairs.

I was recently told 600/yr as well. The last class had 29 people, and they’re running 2 classes/mo.

Anyone know if over 1000 hours single engine turbine PIC will get one put into the pool/call list to be invited for an interview? It’s also 135 time. FedEx is definitely end goal here! Thanks.

I understand FedEx requires 100 hrs/yr of currency, but does anyone know how of if they factor a military sortie conversion? After seperating from active duty, transitioning to the ANG, and completing requal academics, I'm flirting with 100 hrs in my last 12 months. With a .3 (or even a .1) sortie conversion, I'm fine, but without it, I'll dip below. Thanks in advance!

Current Fedex pilot. I asked last week and the recruitment team states they DO NOT want people to do the additives. They stated their flight time program automatically adds it.

Interview Questions
 

What is recommendation for technical portion? RST?

What is situational based portion consist of?

Is sim portion eliminated?

The only dual time I listed was from pilot training. Everything else I listed as PIC or SIC and they didn't question it during the interview.

I didn't find RST very beneficial for the technical portion. I wish I had just studied the bibliography listed in the FedEx interview prep guide.

FedEx interview prep guide? They didnt send me that?

You can download the interview prep guide from the careers.fedex.com/pilot website where you applied.

Thanks a bunch

How long??
 

I've had this message for over a week now...

"We have received your application & it is in the review stage. We have an internal team ensuring you submitted a complete application & meet the basic qualifications for the role."

Is this normal? How long until I get the next phase? I'm not asking how long before the call for an interview, I just feel like i'm in limbo here.

Did you receive the invitation to apply?

Hmm, not sure i know what you mean there. I created an account, filled out all of the pages of the application, i said that I wanted it to be reviewed and I submitted it.
It does seem that i'm missing something. Where would i get this 'invitation' and from whom?

Anybody can fill out a profile online. If they are interested, you will get a email that invites you to submit your profile for a final application. Those that do usually get a call within a week to interview.

Ok. Thanks. I was expecting to fill out the app and then have the "We have received your application & it is in the review stage. We have an internal team ensuring you submitted a complete application & meet the basic qualifications for the role." phase to go by fairly quickly. I thought that second step was going to be the process that took awhile.

So in your opinion, i've done all i can do at this point, correct?

Thanks for the advice/help/info.

Other than update your app frequently and make sure it’s tight, then yes, you have done all you can. But to be clear, just because you applied doesn’t mean the next step is guaranteed either.

What is the typical time from interview to class?

What are current equipment drops?

Thanks

There is a thread labeled Class Drops where you can find the most recent trends.

I hear things are happening quickly. Typically a month or less from interview to class.

Understood. Thanks for the info. Your input is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks for the reply! To clarify, I haven't done any sortie conversions of my own on the application website, but I'd like to know for myself exactly how the company views my hours. Do they use a .3 sortie conversion, for example, and what time they count towards that currency? (e.g. only turbine time, only complex multi-engine time, etc).

Application Timeline Question
 

Hello all. I submitted an application on the online FedEx pilot careers website. I have 2 questions:

1: Is this the only place only to apply (unlike some carriers who require airline apps or the like.)

2: How long does it typically take to see any progress on the application? Current status is "Application Received". I have had it in the system for roughly 3-4 weeks now.

Thanks everybody!!

1. It’s the only place.

2. It depends on how they like your qualifications and if they do, then how regularly you update. Could be a few months before you hear something, could be never.

When you hit print application it will show you what your converted time is. I think This is a fairly new development.

I can no longer update my application. I can't access it at all.
It just says, "We have received your application & it is in the review stage."

Anyone else seeing this? Did a window close or something, because I can't even find "Pilot" on jobs anymore.

Check your using the correct site for the pilot application

https://careers.fedex.com/pilot-attestation

Just saw that. Definitely a nice feature from my perspective. Thanks!