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Old 08-18-2015, 06:29 AM
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We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.

The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.

If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.


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Old 08-18-2015, 07:19 AM
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Totally agree!




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We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.

The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.

If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.


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Old 08-18-2015, 07:21 AM
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The company made their own mess it's not up to us to fix it. Let the morons who created this get fired.
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Old 08-18-2015, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by pipe View Post
We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.

The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.

If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.


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Worrying about this when the company put themselves in this position is not in our pilot's interests. The money used to keep retirements from flowing out the door would come from our overall monetary package if we permit this to be included in the TA.
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Old 08-18-2015, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pipe View Post
We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.

The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.

If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.


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One of the best things said on this board in awhile!
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pipe View Post
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.


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I sort of doubt that "pony(ing) up on their own, after a ratified contract" is legal. Pretty sure that any ponying up will have to be included in the contract.

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Old 08-18-2015, 08:24 AM
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It seems simple enough. Any bonuses to be paid only go to people on the property after Jan 1st (or whatever date gets us through peak). That way they don't have to do any particular gyrations for retirement, and they get their staffing through the busy period.
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12 View Post
It seems simple enough. Any bonuses to be paid only go to people on the property after Jan 1st (or whatever date gets us through peak). That way they don't have to do any particular gyrations for retirement, and they get their staffing through the busy period.
There would be a justifably failure to represent law suit. What if your birthday is December 1st. It is my impression that all good deals usually get prorated to those who have retired between DOS and the previous amendable date, as there should be. Likewise any good deals between the company and retirees under any new deal should be extended retroactively to those who have retired since the amendable date.

It is in our interest, do we want guys hanging around simply because they are waiting on a new contract.
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12 View Post
It seems simple enough. Any bonuses to be paid only go to people on the property after Jan 1st (or whatever date gets us through peak).

Several years ago everyone on the seniority list got "hosed" when our union successfully lobbied to change the regulated age. Every month since then everyone got bid lines, vacation & training dates that weren't as good as they would have been. How many people have had upgrades delayed (some for years) because most pilots decided to stay until they turned 65?

Company manning is a company problem. Competent, forward thinking management should have seen retirement numbers and economic growth many years ago. I'm not sure than ANY inducement for the senior guys to stick around should be included in ANY contract.

Wouldn't that "hose" EVERY junior guy again? "If" we are inclined to help Management with THEIR manning problem, should it come with benefits for EVERYONE? Should that have included a timely CBA 2 years ago?



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Old 08-18-2015, 08:49 AM
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I got hosed by age 65.

I didn't get the 25K payout in the last contract, and I will vote no if I don't get it in this contract.

There should be no "extra pay" of any type as an inducement to prevent someone from retiring. "Extra pay" for them, is money taken out of my pocket. I will vote no if this is in the contract.
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