FDX-Fruitful Week?
#121
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We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
#122
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
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Totally agree!
We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
#124
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We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
Worrying about this when the company put themselves in this position is not in our pilot's interests. The money used to keep retirements from flowing out the door would come from our overall monetary package if we permit this to be included in the TA.
#125
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We need to, as a group, stop worrying about retirements when we talk contract. We need to bargain for a contract for those of us who are going to fly under it. Mismanagement of retirement rates - not our problem.
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
The problem with all of this talk about incentives for guys to stay through peak and incentives to provide more notice is that the money will come out of another area. We (the ones working under the contract) shouldn't give up money to help cover for a management failure.
If that is something the company wants to pony up on their own, after a ratified contract, so be it. When we allow these things to become part of contract negotiations, we just guarantee that guys will hang around at the next negotiation.
Pipe
#126
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#127
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It seems simple enough. Any bonuses to be paid only go to people on the property after Jan 1st (or whatever date gets us through peak). That way they don't have to do any particular gyrations for retirement, and they get their staffing through the busy period.
#128
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It is in our interest, do we want guys hanging around simply because they are waiting on a new contract.
#129
Are you sure you want to do that?
Several years ago everyone on the seniority list got "hosed" when our union successfully lobbied to change the regulated age. Every month since then everyone got bid lines, vacation & training dates that weren't as good as they would have been. How many people have had upgrades delayed (some for years) because most pilots decided to stay until they turned 65?
Company manning is a company problem. Competent, forward thinking management should have seen retirement numbers and economic growth many years ago. I'm not sure than ANY inducement for the senior guys to stick around should be included in ANY contract.
Wouldn't that "hose" EVERY junior guy again? "If" we are inclined to help Management with THEIR manning problem, should it come with benefits for EVERYONE? Should that have included a timely CBA 2 years ago?
#130
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I got hosed by age 65.
I didn't get the 25K payout in the last contract, and I will vote no if I don't get it in this contract.
There should be no "extra pay" of any type as an inducement to prevent someone from retiring. "Extra pay" for them, is money taken out of my pocket. I will vote no if this is in the contract.
I didn't get the 25K payout in the last contract, and I will vote no if I don't get it in this contract.
There should be no "extra pay" of any type as an inducement to prevent someone from retiring. "Extra pay" for them, is money taken out of my pocket. I will vote no if this is in the contract.
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