Originally Posted by HoursHore
(Post 1945011)
............. I'll definitely be reading sec 25 and all language regarding trip revisions, base replacement, substitution, etc with a skeptical and detailed eye. There is no loophole or loose language the company won't exploit.
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We're only down to pay, insurance and retirement.
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$, $, and $.
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The contract language is very important, but as long as we're short staffed things will always get ugly with any contract or management team as you will push up against the boundaries constantly compared to other times.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
(Post 1945480)
The contract language is very important, but as long as we're short staffed things will always get ugly with any contract or management team as you will push up against the boundaries constantly compared to other times.
As several other posters have accurately commented, management has boxed themselves into a corner (virtually no hiring in 7 yrs while easily 550 have retired, 767 simulators have been bungled, FAA 757/767 rulings have not gone in mgmts favor, labor relations have been deeply damaged). Mgmt has hatched an ugly duckling that will take years to turn into a pretty swan (assuming mgmt did everything right between now and then). |
Originally Posted by Redeyz
(Post 1945775)
You are 1/2 right. Now that schedulers/mgmt has stayed awake trying to find ways to solve the short staffing via holes in the contract, do not think that these techniques will "magically" evaporate when we get a new contract. These techniques by schedulers will certainly be remembered and they are the new normal. To think different is naive and short sighted.
As several other posters have accurately commented, management has boxed themselves into a corner (virtually no hiring in 7 yrs while easily 550 have retired, 767 simulators have been bungled, FAA 757/767 rulings have not gone in mgmts favor, labor relations have been deeply damaged). Mgmt has hatched an ugly duckling that will take years to turn into a pretty swan (assuming mgmt did everything right between now and then). Yep like accepted fares we will have to buy our schedules back in the next contract. Until then stay senior and avoid Memphis. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1945788)
....Until then stay senior and avoid Memphis.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1945788)
Yep like accepted fares we will have to buy our schedules back in the next contract. Until then stay senior and avoid Memphis.
Can't we tell them to fix it in this contract or no deal? I'd rather not get bent over for another 7 years. Fix it now! |
So very true...
Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
(Post 1945837)
This. Being senior is good, avoiding the planet is better, getting bumped for training is best.
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1945788)
Until then stay senior and avoid Memphis.
These new found scheduling tools will be the new normal for quite some time because there isn't a schoolhouse program currently in MEM that can churn out freshly trained operators -- and in the programs that can flush guys out (757, et al) there is then a backlog for IOE. It's not going to get better overnight and I expect arse-pain system-wide for the next year, maybe two, REGARDLESS of a ratified contract. I really wanted to upgrade but am now glad that I kept my powder dry. |
Originally Posted by Nightflyer
(Post 1945872)
Why should we wait until the next contract to buy our schedules back?
Can't we tell them to fix it in this contract or no deal? I'd rather not get bent over for another 7 years. Fix it now! |
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