Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1956659)

Glad to see you still have your Rose colored glasses on. Here at UPS people bail all the time and people complain after a month, not after four years. Because it's that bad. So count your blessings and don't sound like a Fred Smith Homie like all the 1980's Hires sound.

Originally Posted by Airbum (Post 1955771)

I can't copy the pdf slide. The IPA contract rode show slides from 2006 state a 4% pay increase after the amendable date

Chec

Originally Posted by Raptor (Post 1956004)

I hear what you're saying and respect your opinion. But, I think a large component of our TA compensation is what WE think we're worth...not what the economy thinks we're worth. I really think it's up to us to individually decide how unhappy we are with the current CRS games and many other factors.

A good or bad economy didn't bring us to this TA. The company did it themselves by mismanagement of the crew force and the pilots individually did it because of the loss of goodwill. Standing behind our negotiators and union has always been the key. The company looks right past the negotiators and MEC and sees what the crew force thinks/does. That's why companies in negotiations do direct dealing, direct communication, and such so often.

The pilots will determine if this TA is good enough. I frankly don't think the economy has much to do with it unless it gets extreme. Passing on a poor TA this time, we can still get a better TA that we deserve by our resolve. I'm hoping the company recognized this and our fears of the rumors of pi$$ poor raises is a false rumor. We'll see what value the TA brings and make our decision....unless the MEC sends it back (which would shorten the process to more negotiations than sending it to the pilots for rejection).

Originally Posted by IrishSkies (Post 1958740)

"... The company will give us exactly what the weakest 51% of us think we're worth, pathetic." .

Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1951465)

Yepp, either way, I see a very large group of retirement-ready folks pulling the plug when we get a TA, and I think The Company must fear the possibility, even the probability of not being able to man all the jets.

Fair to mediocre TA, and lots of loiterers will kick themselves for waiting so long to retire. A good or better TA, and lots of part-timers will pat themselves on the back for sticking it out, stick around just long enough to grab a signing bonus, and ride off into the sunset. Either way, jets will quickly outnumber captains.

Any one-time bonus to get us beyond peak will only kick the can down the road a bit. We need something more durable to stabilize the departures and give The Company the predictability it craves.

My suggestion: give the pilot a financial incentive to announce his retirement in advance. The pilot gives 1 year notice of planned retirement, he receives one amount, 6 months notice is rewarded with 60% of that amount, 3 months gets 30%. The amount? Why not tap into the deferred compensation the pilot has already earned? The pilot has already earned his sick leave and disability account, and The Company already carries that on its balance sheet as a liability. Why not let the pilot have what he has already earned?

The Company gets relief from the uncertainty of when a pilot will retire, and the pilot gets the money he has already earned. Additionally, The Company gets a more productive pilot in his final months and weeks. Some might call this a Win-Win-Win.

Of course, unforseen circumstances or life events might require the pilot to change his mind about his planned retirement date, so he gets a chance to retire sooner or later, but he might forfeit the benefit of early declaration. If the new date is later than the original, he still has a chance to declare and receive the "retirement announcement bonus." However, if he decides to retire sooner, he may only be able to receive the RAB for a shorter announcement-retirement term.

There are probably other solutions, but until a real solution is implemented, The Company has a strong motivation to delay the deal.

Originally Posted by tennesseeflyboy (Post 1959471)

This pilot group deserves much better ..........