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Wildmanny 08-07-2015 06:06 AM

FDX-Fruitful Week?
 
It sounds like things progressed well this week. I'm glad for it and confident in the negotiating committee to get a final deal done shortly. This has been a long process and lots of tough feelings on both sides. I'm bullish on the future here and we have a lot of talent here throughout the company. I remain optimistic. Have a good weekend and fly safe.
WM

HazCan 08-07-2015 06:35 AM

I think we are close. If everyone can keep their wits about them and not do anything stupid, we'll be all set. Let's not be our own worst enemy. Read the latest Chairman's message and let the legal process work. It will be detrimental to all of us if one guy gets off in the weeds.

HoursHore 08-07-2015 07:03 AM

While I appreciate the NC all their hard work and look forward to a TA, I'll say the scars of the last year of CRS shenanigans are still red and raw. I'll definitely be reading sec 25 and all language regarding trip revisions, base replacement, substitution, etc with a skeptical and detailed eye. There is no loophole or loose language the company won't exploit.

Raptor 08-07-2015 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HoursHore (Post 1945011)
While I appreciate the NC all their hard work and look forward to a TA, I'll say the scars of the last year of CRS shenanigans are still red and raw. I'll definitely be reading sec 25 and all language regarding trip revisions, base replacement, substitution, etc with a skeptical and detailed eye. There is no loophole or loose language the company won't exploit.

I absolutely agree with this. Also, the pay raise must be very significant, no concessions at all, and language whereby scheduling can abuse us must be fixed.

I have a long memory, and the company has done significant harm to the pilot's goodwill. It may be too late to get that back even after the contract. I think the company grossly misplayed their hand to their detriment for a long time to come.

The company should look to the Delta pilot's rejection of their TA and make sure it doesn't happen here. I'm essentially a no vote when handed the TA and have to be convinced that it's worthy of a yes. I'm that disgusted with their tactics this go around.

drftddgr 08-07-2015 08:33 AM

I think any goodwill is gone forever barring a complete change in management culture. I will fly iaw the contract and to the best of my ability I will hold the company to the contract. Nothing more, nothing less. If in the future a more friendly culture should develop, I would welcome it. As for now, I don't see it happening.

Nightflyer 08-07-2015 09:09 AM

While the union says it has been a fruitful week, we still don't have a deal, and now we are down to the difficult sections. They are stringing us along, hoping to get through peak. Remember, it takes time for a 30 day cooling off period and a strike vote. What if the company plans to start the clock on November 25th? At that point, we have lost our leverage, as no one will care if we have a work action after peak. We are being played, again, like always.

I also agree that pilot good will has been damaged for a long time.

The revision of trips without the option of substitution must be addressed in the TA or I will vote no. If they revise your trip, you should be able to turn it down if you don't like the new trip. Anything less is an abrogation of seniority, which ALPA is supposed to protect at all costs. (It's the right thing to do.)

Of course, if you want to fly the revised trip, that should also be your option, but at draft pay.

Otherwise, I will vote no.

I will call my block rep and tell him so.

MD11HOG 08-07-2015 10:01 AM

I would say chugging along instead of fruitful or delaying. Or maybe, the company is finally negotiating in good faith since they have adult supervision(mediator) and need a lot of guys to do draft and protect carryover. Sec 25 is huge and a big one to TA. We want loose language and loopholes closed and we want it fast. I think the 2 are almost mutually exclusive goals. But it's done. Retirement is still out there and why I'm still preparing for all possible outcomes of mediation.

Albief15 08-07-2015 10:14 AM

Judging by the other letter from the Chairman, it would appear the company is deeply concerned about service failures and has even accused the LEC 26 of fostering an environment where pilots are discouraged to pick up any extra flying.

MaydayMark 08-07-2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 1945083)

While the union says it has been a fruitful week, we still don't have a deal,



Maybe the Union meant "fruitcake" week?


:confused:

skeebo2 08-07-2015 02:30 PM

"we still don't have a deal, and now we are down to the difficult sections. They are stringing us along, hoping to get through peak. Remember, it takes time for a 30 day cooling off period and a strike vote. What if the company plans to start the clock on November 25th? At that point, we have lost our leverage, as no one will care if we have a work action after peak. We are being played, again, like always." from nightflyer

So we need to control the clock 45 days till oct 1 Every day that goes by we get weaker


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