Retro Pay/Signing Bonus...How much is enough?
#11
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It all is speculation until the crew bus driver gives us the scoop.
But, if first year is 9-11%, I don't need to read any further--NO!
I don't want a 6 year "interim" contract rate. We're already at our third year so "missing" two 3% raises and then getting another 3-4% essentially on signing is not remotely close to acceptable. Delta's TA that was voted down was better than these numbers. We deserve industry leading, and not just for 6 months until we are leapfrogged.
If these low ball rumors are true, I hope the MEC does their job and sends it back to the negotiators. I'm not afraid of the what-if when that happens. Leverage is great right now, and peak would be beyond ugly for the company.
But, if first year is 9-11%, I don't need to read any further--NO!
I don't want a 6 year "interim" contract rate. We're already at our third year so "missing" two 3% raises and then getting another 3-4% essentially on signing is not remotely close to acceptable. Delta's TA that was voted down was better than these numbers. We deserve industry leading, and not just for 6 months until we are leapfrogged.
If these low ball rumors are true, I hope the MEC does their job and sends it back to the negotiators. I'm not afraid of the what-if when that happens. Leverage is great right now, and peak would be beyond ugly for the company.
The 15 year Captain rate needs to be $3xx per hour
#13
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As I have said before, the devil is in the details, but I think we would prefer not to start this process behind the eight ball on pay and work our back into a not just a mediocre contract, but a good one. You are right though, fbh, there is more to a good contract than just the coin.
Last edited by Chainsaw; 08-23-2015 at 08:48 PM.
#15
I want, (that sounds mean),... I would like a lot more money, both now AND in retirement, better scheduling and work rules and MUCH cleaner contract language, to name a few things and am willing to do whatever I (we) need to do as Union members to get there.
Keep the faith,
fbh
#17
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fbh, I would say that any amount of pay raise that falls below REAL inflationary numbers, (not the fake 3% the government puts out) would be concessionary. I haven't done the research, so I would conservatively estimate the real inflation rate at least twice that at 6%. Now add all the years we didn't get a pay raise plus all the years we are supposed to get one in the future. We are moving back AT LEAST 3% buying power every year, if not more. So in 6 years, I would say you would be down over 20%. Someone on this forum earlier gave the example of a new truck going from 33K in 2008 to 60K in 2015. I guess that is what I would consider concessionary. Just not moving backward every year.
#19
Chainsaw. would you like a contract where everyone got $500 an hour, but you had to go to FAR limits with no protection, no insurance, no retirement (I think I should call this deferred compensation)? In essence, you're on your own, independent contractor Think it out.
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