Dear MEC & LEC - Please vote this TA DOWN
08-25-2015, 06:17 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
So you've actually seen what the gist of the TA is, then? Any more details on it, such as yearly pay increases after the initial 10%? Signing bonus? Work rule changes? There is far more to a TA than just those few things that you listed.
And based upon only those item, you believe that the MEC should save us from ourselves and vote against it? If you have the details, it would be kind of you to share what is in the rest of the TA.
Thanks!
And based upon only those item, you believe that the MEC should save us from ourselves and vote against it? If you have the details, it would be kind of you to share what is in the rest of the TA.
Thanks!
08-25-2015, 06:20 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Type out the rest of what you know.
Also, there was a handout going around the AOC today, but I didn't know about it until after I got on the jumpseat. Does anyone have a copy they can post?
The bump for over 16 hours. Does it only apply to that particular leg? Or is it applied to every credit hour for the entire 12 day trip. In other words, if you go around the world, and only have one 16 hour leg, do you only get 16 hours work of override, or do you get override for the entire 12 day trip?
What about the VEBA 25K issue?
What about draft pay for all holidays for which the company requires a doctor's note?
What about night override?
What happens to the B fund money after the IRS caps are met? Do we get paid the money in our regular check, or does is just disappear as some have said?
I get that the company didn't want to raise the cap. Couldn't the union have asked for the multiplier to be raised instead? Our retirement is shrinking on a yearly basis, and the union couldn't make it a priority? I can hear it now, "but we kept the retirement from being split". Whoop tee do. You maintained the status quo, and you claim that as a victory? YGBSM.
These questions, and more, must be answered before an intelligent decision can be made.
In the past, the union has emphasized the good (hidden money, anyone?) and glossed over the bad (hidden side letter allowing the company to optimize).
Can you trust your union to give us the facts?
Or will your union give us a snow job, so the officers can claim success, and move on to national leadership?
Also, there was a handout going around the AOC today, but I didn't know about it until after I got on the jumpseat. Does anyone have a copy they can post?
The bump for over 16 hours. Does it only apply to that particular leg? Or is it applied to every credit hour for the entire 12 day trip. In other words, if you go around the world, and only have one 16 hour leg, do you only get 16 hours work of override, or do you get override for the entire 12 day trip?
What about the VEBA 25K issue?
What about draft pay for all holidays for which the company requires a doctor's note?
What about night override?
What happens to the B fund money after the IRS caps are met? Do we get paid the money in our regular check, or does is just disappear as some have said?
I get that the company didn't want to raise the cap. Couldn't the union have asked for the multiplier to be raised instead? Our retirement is shrinking on a yearly basis, and the union couldn't make it a priority? I can hear it now, "but we kept the retirement from being split". Whoop tee do. You maintained the status quo, and you claim that as a victory? YGBSM.
These questions, and more, must be answered before an intelligent decision can be made.
In the past, the union has emphasized the good (hidden money, anyone?) and glossed over the bad (hidden side letter allowing the company to optimize).
Can you trust your union to give us the facts?
Or will your union give us a snow job, so the officers can claim success, and move on to national leadership?
08-25-2015, 06:37 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by matty
What?! You actually want to read it? I want to make my decisions based on rumors! I kid...
Honestly, it drives me crazy not knowing the details for certain. I am assuming that Patches is passing on the truth as he or she heard it, but not knowing the source, it's rather tenuous.
08-25-2015, 06:51 PM
#25
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Yes, some will read the document, if it's presented to the gang for a vote. We'll get to the legalize, and our eyes will glaze over. (And really, what difference would this make? The company will find the loopholes, and implement standards unforeseen.) So, we'll go to what we understand: numbers, or pay rates. For the right seat dude upgrading, the pay rate will seem as a windfall. And the vote will be a resounding Yes! Dudes with one foot out the door, and the vote will be Yes. Dudes who can't bother reading will vote Yes. Thirty five percent will vote no.
The plea here is just: MEC/LEC, if this is not up to par, don't be afraid to send it back. Demand a better deal. If the TA if a gem, send it out. So far, seeing the numbers, I'm out. My vote is no. And I'm not out to burn the house down. We have undervalued our profession for far too long. When was the last time we got a real pay raise? Never? I don't know, but since I've been here (13 years), we've gotten inflationary increases. That's it. As someone stated previously, we're working harder, longer hours. The company is flush with cash. Et cetera. Not to mention the devaluation of our A Fund over time, with an anemic B Fund.
I could go on, but I often wonder, why bother? As a group, we are easily intimidated, and otherwise afraid. Out history, indeed our legacy, is a red letter, of which many of the time bravely display as some act of defiance, but in the time did nothing for the betterment of the union. They simply rolled over, and say they had no choice. But man, today they mean business. And some do, because now they can retire.
Perhaps a new day is coming. Perhaps not. That time is fast approaching.
The plea here is just: MEC/LEC, if this is not up to par, don't be afraid to send it back. Demand a better deal. If the TA if a gem, send it out. So far, seeing the numbers, I'm out. My vote is no. And I'm not out to burn the house down. We have undervalued our profession for far too long. When was the last time we got a real pay raise? Never? I don't know, but since I've been here (13 years), we've gotten inflationary increases. That's it. As someone stated previously, we're working harder, longer hours. The company is flush with cash. Et cetera. Not to mention the devaluation of our A Fund over time, with an anemic B Fund.
I could go on, but I often wonder, why bother? As a group, we are easily intimidated, and otherwise afraid. Out history, indeed our legacy, is a red letter, of which many of the time bravely display as some act of defiance, but in the time did nothing for the betterment of the union. They simply rolled over, and say they had no choice. But man, today they mean business. And some do, because now they can retire.
Perhaps a new day is coming. Perhaps not. That time is fast approaching.
08-25-2015, 07:17 PM
#26
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Position: MD CA
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Originally Posted by Patches
Section 3 Compensation
• International Override increased by $1.00 per CH o Captain $10 First Officer/RFO $8
• New Hire Compensation
o $4,000 per month
o FDA minimum hourly rate: $100
o New hire relocation package with 3 year minimum commitment (Package 2 without relocation allowance)

• Ultra Long Range Premium per CH:
o applicable to trips pilots actually operate with a revenue segment over 16 hours revenue block
(i.e., ULR trips):
Captain
$24.00
First Officer/RFO
$17.00

• Signing Bonus $125 million, our methodology
• Hourly rate increases starting Oct bid period 10%-3%-3%-3%-4%-3% ($1.24B)

Current
$260.61 Wide body Capt



10/1/15
$286.67
$285.00 American



10/1/16
$295.27
$293.00 American



10/1/17
$304.13
$302.00 American



10/1/18
$313.25
$311.00 American



10/1/19
$325.78
$320.00 American


• International Override increased by $1.00 per CH o Captain $10 First Officer/RFO $8
• New Hire Compensation
o $4,000 per month
o FDA minimum hourly rate: $100
o New hire relocation package with 3 year minimum commitment (Package 2 without relocation allowance)

• Ultra Long Range Premium per CH:
o applicable to trips pilots actually operate with a revenue segment over 16 hours revenue block
(i.e., ULR trips):
Captain
$24.00
First Officer/RFO
$17.00

• Signing Bonus $125 million, our methodology
• Hourly rate increases starting Oct bid period 10%-3%-3%-3%-4%-3% ($1.24B)

Current
$260.61 Wide body Capt



10/1/15
$286.67
$285.00 American



10/1/16
$295.27
$293.00 American



10/1/17
$304.13
$302.00 American



10/1/18
$313.25
$311.00 American



10/1/19
$325.78
$320.00 American


And now you show numbers that are a dollar or two higher than Americans? Talk about a non starter! If the MEC agrees to these sh*t hourly numbers, we are screwed. Since it will pass I believe since FDX has NEVER turned down an endorsed TA. Very Surprised the NC would agree to AMR plus a dollar.
Last edited by Commando; 08-25-2015 at 07:34 PM.
08-25-2015, 07:30 PM
#27
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Position: 767 FO
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Originally Posted by Patches
Section 3 Compensation
• International Override increased by $1.00 per CH o Captain $10 First Officer/RFO $8
• New Hire Compensation
o $4,000 per month
o FDA minimum hourly rate: $100
o New hire relocation package with 3 year minimum commitment (Package 2 without relocation allowance)

• Ultra Long Range Premium per CH:
o applicable to trips pilots actually operate with a revenue segment over 16 hours revenue block
(i.e., ULR trips):
Captain
$24.00
First Officer/RFO
$17.00

• Signing Bonus $125 million, our methodology
• Hourly rate increases starting Oct bid period 10%-3%-3%-3%-4%-3% ($1.24B)

Current
$260.61 Wide body Capt



10/1/15
$286.67
$285.00 American



10/1/16
$295.27
$293.00 American



10/1/17
$304.13
$302.00 American



10/1/18
$313.25
$311.00 American



10/1/19
$325.78
$320.00 American


• International Override increased by $1.00 per CH o Captain $10 First Officer/RFO $8
• New Hire Compensation
o $4,000 per month
o FDA minimum hourly rate: $100
o New hire relocation package with 3 year minimum commitment (Package 2 without relocation allowance)

• Ultra Long Range Premium per CH:
o applicable to trips pilots actually operate with a revenue segment over 16 hours revenue block
(i.e., ULR trips):
Captain
$24.00
First Officer/RFO
$17.00

• Signing Bonus $125 million, our methodology
• Hourly rate increases starting Oct bid period 10%-3%-3%-3%-4%-3% ($1.24B)

Current
$260.61 Wide body Capt



10/1/15
$286.67
$285.00 American



10/1/16
$295.27
$293.00 American



10/1/17
$304.13
$302.00 American



10/1/18
$313.25
$311.00 American



10/1/19
$325.78
$320.00 American


I could live with those if work rules are fixed. My understanding is the over 16 bump applies to the whole trip provided one leg is over 16.
08-25-2015, 07:32 PM
#28
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Posts: 4,184
Nearly 50% of our crew force, 1938 pilots, will have reached age 60 by the end of this contract. They will/could be living under the retirement provisions of this contract for the rest of their lives.
There had better be an increase to the A plan.
There had better be an increase to the A plan.
08-25-2015, 07:41 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Crewmember
Posts: 1,376
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I could live with those if work rules are fixed. My understanding is the over 16 bump applies to the whole trip provided one leg is over 16.
What is important is how the FedEx lawyers interpret the language.
We have lost too many grievances based on what we thought the contract said, vs. what they thought it said.
I would have to see a "fact" type explanation, not "intent".
The contract would have to state, clearly, in plain English that can't be twisted by a lawyer...
"If any leg during a pairing is scheduled for or actually exceeds 16 hours of block time, the total actual credit hour value at the end of the pairing shall be paid to include the block over 16 override."
The actual hours needs to be mentioned, so the company does not play games and schedule you for 15:55 of block, then not pay you for the override, even when the leg goes to 16:05.
08-25-2015, 07:41 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Socket Drawer
Posts: 1,797
Originally Posted by Commando
American Pilots got their TA shoved down their Throats. Had Zero Power after they agreed to the total cost of the agreement a year earlier. The USAir/America West sh*t storm. All my AMR buddies are very unhappy with their Hourly Rate and feel they got screwed.
And now you show numbers that are a dollar or two higher than Americans? Talk about a non starter! If the MEC agrees to these sh*t hourly numbers, we are screwed. Since it will pass I believe since FDX has NEVER turned down an endorsed TA. Very Surprised the NC would agree to AMR plus a dollar.
And now you show numbers that are a dollar or two higher than Americans? Talk about a non starter! If the MEC agrees to these sh*t hourly numbers, we are screwed. Since it will pass I believe since FDX has NEVER turned down an endorsed TA. Very Surprised the NC would agree to AMR plus a dollar.
You dh on the company js, have pilots flying your freight that do not hold a seniority number or are held to cba limits, and wear brown pants and shoes. You don't have a voice in this fight. Fix your own house before you worry about your neighbor.
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