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Raptor ...
Tremendous post on HILO. The BaronD--- must have the gerbils spinning in overdrive to refute the obvious concessions in the TA. The FDA pilots lost big here. That means we all did. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1968823)
It is 265 this year, last year it was 260, the year before 255. It essentially goes up 5K a year. This is why FDX will not commit and that was my point. If they raised it to IRS limits this year everyone would moan that it has fallen behind next year. The IRS limit will be at least 300K by the amendable date in 2021. No one will be satisfied by a bump to 265.
As far as A Plan vs B Plan, different strokes for different folks. Were I a new hire looking at 30 years here I would take a 18% cash over Cap B Fund in a heart beat over a capped A Plan at 130K and 25 YOS. Regardless, the point is when we tried to have a conversation it was shut down. We should have listened and seen what we could get. Maybe the answer was 25%. I can't live with voting for these measly pay raises AND all the other givebacks AND retirement taking a big hit. Not even the B plan increase is really that good. If you'll be making well over the IRS cap in 2021 as a wide body captain and we don't get cash over cap, I project the B plan will be the equivalent of about 6% of your pay as a 15 year wide body captain in 2021 because your B plan will stop getting the 9% payment at some number (now $265,000) well shy of what you make. |
The devil is always in the details.
The TA just keeps getting worse by the day. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1968838)
And they do that now. Look at all of the 3+58 turns in INDY. This is a win. More available for everyone, the vast majority of hub turn hotels have gone away since I have been here. The company is already gaming the system, I would rather they give me my real push time in INDY then the fake one they give me now to push my turn under 4 hours. They now will have to increase the number of sleep rooms anyplace they want to cancel your hotel, so they will have to overbuild sleep rooms.
I realize going to the hotel eats up sleep time, but I want that as an OPTION. This TA takes it away. I will admit the Memphis sleep rooms are a vast improvement over what we used to have. I feel completely different about MEM and flying though there night or day. Also, I absolutely treasure the opportunity when jump seating in or home to get a sleep room on a space available basis--have never failed to get one. If we allow them to put in LAX or IND based people who would have had hotels, then now the "extra" we're using to feel human before we go home or come in may be gone. Keep the option for us. |
Originally Posted by TheBaron Deux
(Post 1968754)
Maybe you should reread our current CBA section 8. There are very few DH's that require a 1st class seat. The company has always had (and used) their option (fare code FCF). They only have to buy a 1st class seat on single leg flight with a duty day over 16 hours. Can you name even 1 that appears in the bidpack? I've done one...EWR-SIN...in 9 1/2 years on the MD. And guess what. That was booked in Business on Singapore because no airline had 1st class service direct out of EWR to SIN. Totally legal under the current contract. This is not the huge giveback so many are saying it is. Balanced with the real gains in section 8 we definitely came out ahead.
I think you may also wrong on the one month point. You can go arrears one month to use it; any remainder rolls forward to become part of the next months deviation bank. So you save $2000 dollars. That amount gets reduced to $1000 and if not needed in arrears, it becomes part of your next months bank. Now say you use all of the next months bid pack bank but don't touch the $1000 from the prior month. That overage gets reduced by 50% and gets carried forward to the next month...a reducing benefit until it's eventually used. I guess I'm having my "once in 9 1/2 year deadhead next month". SYD - DFW 18 Hour DP. Yes I can name one in the bidpack. I'm doing it and I've done several. |
The MEC posted the Memphis roadshow on YouTube today. They should have included the Q&A at the end also. That would have been more enlightening to me than just the sales presentation.
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
(Post 1968875)
Really LAG???
I only believe what will be printed on our CBA. Past precedent has made it clear, loopholes will be exploited! Their intentions, or their 'caring for our rest' would have been clear during the Disputed Pairing process over the last how many years??? Look at the 767. They could have paid Boeing 1.5 million dollars to move the lav out of the cockpit, they would get room for a galley and 3 more jumpseats. The company will probably spend that much on 36 hour additional layover time because it is a different pot of money that pays that. The crew force will suffer the 767 for decade after decade after decade. How do you think the 70% commuters will get to work in the future? Not enough jumpseats on the 757 and 767 to accommodate all. By not addressing this in the TA we have just committed us to seriously consider moving to Memphis. Why didn't we add language about not being able to get a jumpseat to Memphis counting as no harm/no foul like it failing to arrive in? The company knows they can't run their system with new protection language and now you'll have to buy a ticket commercially to work if you don't want to live in MEM. |
Originally Posted by machz990
(Post 1968998)
The MEC posted the Memphis roadshow on YouTube today. They should have included the Q&A at the end also. That would have been more enlightening to me than just the sales presentation.
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"have lived through the company gaming the system now, and how you don't expect them to game the system by building pairings with 2:28, and 4:58 turns (i.e., NO NEED FOR EXTRA SLEEP ROOMS)."
And these people are called the fatigue working group. Go visit them near PC's old office easy to get to just walk in pass the SCP glass area and walk straight to last indented area on the right if you have the guts. They generate spreadsheets and bar graphs. They are suppose to put reclines in ramps as required. But what the really do is change the paring by one or two minutes so you fall outside of the requirements. No SOUP FOR YOU. No more hotels good deadhead or recliners. They make the 4a2b IT guys look like amateurs. |
Originally Posted by Raptor
(Post 1968993)
But, they will overbuild them to just what is necessary. And, have you slept in the Indy rooms in the summer. The last time I did I had to make and take my bedding, there were nasty stains on the mattress, it was 80 degrees if not more and I just laid in a pool of my own sweat soaking the mattress for the person behind me wondering who was there before me, and I had to get dressed to go to the bathroom which I had to wait for as both stalls were occupied.
I realize going to the hotel eats up sleep time, but I want that as an OPTION. This TA takes it away. I will admit the Memphis sleep rooms are a vast improvement over what we used to have. I feel completely different about MEM and flying though there night or day. Also, I absolutely treasure the opportunity when jump seating in or home to get a sleep room on a space available basis--have never failed to get one. If we allow them to put in LAX or IND based people who would have had hotels, then now the "extra" we're using to feel human before we go home or come in may be gone. Keep the option for us. |
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