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Old 09-20-2015, 03:31 PM
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Question FDX TA jumpseat changes?

In section 26 (General) one of the changes in your TA is;

- Ability to bump offline jumpseaters up to 1 hour prior to showtime (PBB)


What does PBB stand for?

We (ups) have absolute awful jumpseating rules, keep getting bumped left and right and we always appreciate riding on your flights. Purple is famous for the "guaranteed" jumpseat rule (within 24 hours, with some caveats of course).

The TA change would make your rules more like ours and I was wondering what precipitated the change?

Is it your company pushing for this or your line pilots not being able to get to work?

Either one would be understandable and it's your business of course. From an offline pilot's perspective it'd be a negative change but again, you guys are always great to us and we appreciate the ride each time we fly on purple!
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Pilot Benefit Book. I asked the Q&A about "what's the language" but haven't seen an answer. 1 hour before showtime. . . if you were an offline would you take the chance on booking on us?
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Originally Posted by FlybyKnite View Post
Pilot Benefit Book. I asked the Q&A about "what's the language" but haven't seen an answer. 1 hour before showtime. . . if you were an offline would you take the chance on booking on us?
I see, thanks.

I think most commuters try to fly on their own airline because it's "easier" but if there are no flights or they've been bumped, flight got canceled, etc., etc. then they look at other options...

So to answer your question, it'd be very tough for sure but if I'm trying to ride on you guys or another airline it means my other options have already fallen through..

Of course ALL airlines can bump you at the last minute; on pax airlines however you can just walk over to a different gate or even terminal and try another flight or another airline...
For us, cargo carriers it's a little more complicated as we need to get a cab to come over to the pax side, and of course during our business hours "normal" people sleep so there aren't many pax flights to choose from..

Unfortunately, the new j/s rule would make things a little more difficult...
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Originally Posted by FlybyKnite View Post
Pilot Benefit Book. I asked the Q&A about "what's the language" but haven't seen an answer. 1 hour before showtime. . . if you were an offline would you take the chance on booking on us?
I've always promoted our Jumpseat as the 24 hour guaranteed except for emergency Jumpseat override.

I'm sad this is changing. I would not chance us as the last flight of day type option if I could be bumped.

We were known as always getting you there, even if a plane crumped as a sweep would drop in. This is how we "pay" for our international Jumpseat access on PAX carriers.
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I've always promoted our Jumpseat as the 24 hour guaranteed except for emergency Jumpseat override.

I'm sad this is changing..
We've been trying to get something similar in our contract but it ain't gonna happen. They love to torture us with the constant jumpseat bumps... Their version of waterboarding... 'So you think you've listed yourself on a j/s to go home or to work? Ha ha, think again'...
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I'm not sad if it is actually changing. Sorry. I've tried to go home on our own airline due to a schedule change and couldn't get on due to off-line folks locked in. Everyone's welcome otherwise. Been taken off of a pax jumpseat right before block-out many times.

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Originally Posted by KnightFlyer View Post
I'm not sad if it is actually changing. Sorry. I've tried to go home on our own airline due to a schedule change and couldn't get on due to off-line folks locked in. Everyone's welcome otherwise. Been taken off of a pax jumpseat right before block-out many times.
I think that is the logic of the change. Why should one our own pilots not be able to get a j/s on our airplanes in the last 24 hours because an offline j/s has the seat booked.
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I think the change isn't better. We so seldom get the change to reciprocate a jumpseat to anyone. I think it should be locked in for anyone 24hrs prior. At FedEx, we can book a jumpseat 21 days in advance. Sure, there might be some last minute changes to someone's schedule, but that is rare. Maybe the issue is that the company wants more seats open so they can deadhead us home instead of buying a ticket. That's a change to the new TA. And getting bumped last minute at FX is a little different than getting bumped off of a mainline carrier. You can't just find another flight at FX as you can often do if you are in the main airport terminal. So now if a guy gets bumped at 3am, he's got to find a place to stay or, go over to the terminal and sit some more waiting for a flight home. I think we should still have to option for an offline guy to be locked in and provide the same courtesy of giving them a ride as other carriers do us.
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Originally Posted by Viper446 View Post
Maybe the issue is that the company wants more seats open so they can deadhead us home instead of buying a ticket. That's a change to the new TA.
Anyone can be bumped in the last minute for an operational emergency. The company would probably book a j/s for deadheading back as an operational emergency.

I guess we would have to know which side asked for this change to know the original reason for the change.
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Originally Posted by Viper446 View Post
...Maybe the issue is that the company wants more seats open so they can deadhead us home instead of buying a ticket. That's a change to the new TA. And getting bumped last minute at FX is a little different than getting bumped off of a mainline carrier...
Viper446, you beat me to it.

Man, I hate looking at everything in this TA through the how-will-they-screw-us-with-this-language goggles, but, it is either our NC asking for change because of our guys requesting it, or it is the company asking for the very likely reasons you state Viper446.

To whalesurfer, this is obviously a change that will not be fought if we go back to the table after rejecting the TA. And, even though I've never ridden on UPS, I am truly sorry about this change. I have always enjoyed giving offline guys the 24 hour guaranteed seat, as a minor way to thank the UA, AA, DL, Alaska, and Frontier crews that have given me countless international jumpseats, which we cannot reciprocate (although we are working on that).
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