What are the Top 10 TA Issues that need Fixin
09-29-2015, 06:41 PM
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What are the Top 10 TA Issues that need Fixin
No one knows what will happen if the TA is voted down.
Negotiations will eventually resume.
.... but when? (before peak, next year)
...by whom? (this NC team or a new one)
How broad or narrow will the topics be?
While many have articulated a relatively long list of shortcomings with the TA, it's quite clear there are only a few majors issues, that if fixed quickly, would make the TA much more palatable.
While many may say it's premature --- I think asking the "Nay" voters to rank order their "Top 10 issues with the TA" is a worthwhile exercise
(Heck, even the "Yes" voters can join in --- since they readily admit there are portions of the TA they dislike too)
I think it will become quite clear, that an empowered negotiating team, given a clear mandate from the pilots, can quickly reach a new, very focused agreement with the company
If you disagree, please humor me and play along anyway.
What are your Top 10 issues with the TA that you want fixed?
Rank order please --- #1 is what you want fixed most...#10 least
...and heck, you may have less than 10 issues, holding you back from voting "Yes".
Remember, once this TA is defeated --- its OK to be more focused!
Negotiations will eventually resume.
.... but when? (before peak, next year)
...by whom? (this NC team or a new one)
How broad or narrow will the topics be?
While many have articulated a relatively long list of shortcomings with the TA, it's quite clear there are only a few majors issues, that if fixed quickly, would make the TA much more palatable.
While many may say it's premature --- I think asking the "Nay" voters to rank order their "Top 10 issues with the TA" is a worthwhile exercise
(Heck, even the "Yes" voters can join in --- since they readily admit there are portions of the TA they dislike too)
I think it will become quite clear, that an empowered negotiating team, given a clear mandate from the pilots, can quickly reach a new, very focused agreement with the company
If you disagree, please humor me and play along anyway.
What are your Top 10 issues with the TA that you want fixed?
Rank order please --- #1 is what you want fixed most...#10 least
...and heck, you may have less than 10 issues, holding you back from voting "Yes".
Remember, once this TA is defeated --- its OK to be more focused!
09-30-2015, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
No one knows what will happen if the TA is voted down.
Negotiations will eventually resume.
.... but when? (before peak, next year)
...by whom? (this NC team or a new one)
How broad or narrow will the topics be?
While many have articulated a relatively long list of shortcomings with the TA, it's quite clear there are only a few majors issues, that if fixed quickly, would make the TA much more palatable.
While many may say it's premature --- I think asking the "Nay" voters to rank order their "Top 10 issues with the TA" is a worthwhile exercise
(Heck, even the "Yes" voters can join in --- since they readily admit there are portions of the TA they dislike too)
I think it will become quite clear, that an empowered negotiating team, given a clear mandate from the pilots, can quickly reach a new, very focused agreement with the company
If you disagree, please humor me and play along anyway.
What are your Top 10 issues with the TA that you want fixed?
Rank order please --- #1 is what you want fixed most...#10 least
...and heck, you may have less than 10 issues, holding you back from voting "Yes".
Remember, once this TA is defeated --- its OK to be more focused!
Negotiations will eventually resume.
.... but when? (before peak, next year)
...by whom? (this NC team or a new one)
How broad or narrow will the topics be?
While many have articulated a relatively long list of shortcomings with the TA, it's quite clear there are only a few majors issues, that if fixed quickly, would make the TA much more palatable.
While many may say it's premature --- I think asking the "Nay" voters to rank order their "Top 10 issues with the TA" is a worthwhile exercise
(Heck, even the "Yes" voters can join in --- since they readily admit there are portions of the TA they dislike too)
I think it will become quite clear, that an empowered negotiating team, given a clear mandate from the pilots, can quickly reach a new, very focused agreement with the company
If you disagree, please humor me and play along anyway.
What are your Top 10 issues with the TA that you want fixed?
Rank order please --- #1 is what you want fixed most...#10 least
...and heck, you may have less than 10 issues, holding you back from voting "Yes".
Remember, once this TA is defeated --- its OK to be more focused!
09-30-2015, 07:00 AM
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1-10. Improve retirement and I'm willing to change my no vote to a yes. Assuming the A plan continues it's soft freeze, I want a DOS bump of the B plan to at least 10 to 12% plus cash over cap.
09-30-2015, 07:35 AM
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1) 15% raise
2) 4 year term
3) Significant A Plan cap increase
4) Remove 20% R day provision from VTO or allow opt out
5) Real time trip trading - it's past time (give up the PMU if necessary)
6) Remove 8/24 change or tighten language very specifically
7) Eliminate R day conversions entirely
8) Eliminate substitution - industry standard is NOT to have SUB
9) Remove sleep room giveback
10) Addition of "Me Too" pay clause
If we could get seven of the top ten I'd tolerate the 6 year term. I'm very suspicious of the six year term. FDX is historically brilliant at economic forecasting. They obviously feel that we'll have good reason to believe we deserve more in four years. That doesn't necessarily mean a great economy in the forecast, they may just see high inflation or a combination of both.
Pipe
2) 4 year term
3) Significant A Plan cap increase
4) Remove 20% R day provision from VTO or allow opt out
5) Real time trip trading - it's past time (give up the PMU if necessary)
6) Remove 8/24 change or tighten language very specifically
7) Eliminate R day conversions entirely
8) Eliminate substitution - industry standard is NOT to have SUB
9) Remove sleep room giveback
10) Addition of "Me Too" pay clause
If we could get seven of the top ten I'd tolerate the 6 year term. I'm very suspicious of the six year term. FDX is historically brilliant at economic forecasting. They obviously feel that we'll have good reason to believe we deserve more in four years. That doesn't necessarily mean a great economy in the forecast, they may just see high inflation or a combination of both.
Pipe
09-30-2015, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeDub
1-10. Improve retirement and I'm willing to change my no vote to a yes. Assuming the A plan continues it's soft freeze, I want a DOS bump of the B plan to at least 10 to 12% plus cash over cap.
See -- it isn't even 10 issues with you
I feel many of the "Yes" voters (...especially those sitting very close to the fence) are voting that way out of uncertainty (...some say, fear).
I think a calm, focused, prioritized, non-emotional discussion will actually demonstrate that there are a set of improvements that will make this TA palatable to the majority
Is retirement really the only issue?
Maybe, maybe not --- I don't know
So let's start a truly prioritized discussion
Let's see where it leads
Let's see if a truly prioritized focus can overcome uncertainty & fear
Last edited by DLax85; 09-30-2015 at 08:13 AM.
09-30-2015, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by pipe
1) 15% raise
2) 4 year term
3) Significant A Plan cap increase
4) Remove 20% R day provision from VTO or allow opt out
5) Real time trip trading - it's past time (give up the PMU if necessary)
6) Remove 8/24 change or tighten language very specifically
7) Eliminate R day conversions entirely
8) Eliminate substitution - industry standard is NOT to have SUB
9) Remove sleep room giveback
10) Addition of "Me Too" pay clause
If we could get seven of the top ten I'd tolerate the 6 year term. I'm very suspicious of the six year term. FDX is historically brilliant at economic forecasting. They obviously feel that we'll have good reason to believe we deserve more in four years. That doesn't necessarily mean a great economy in the forecast, they may just see high inflation or a combination of both.
Pipe
2) 4 year term
3) Significant A Plan cap increase
4) Remove 20% R day provision from VTO or allow opt out
5) Real time trip trading - it's past time (give up the PMU if necessary)
6) Remove 8/24 change or tighten language very specifically
7) Eliminate R day conversions entirely
8) Eliminate substitution - industry standard is NOT to have SUB
9) Remove sleep room giveback
10) Addition of "Me Too" pay clause
If we could get seven of the top ten I'd tolerate the 6 year term. I'm very suspicious of the six year term. FDX is historically brilliant at economic forecasting. They obviously feel that we'll have good reason to believe we deserve more in four years. That doesn't necessarily mean a great economy in the forecast, they may just see high inflation or a combination of both.
Pipe
We need more specific inputs like this!!
09-30-2015, 10:08 AM
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set me straight
I hate this TA.
49% of me is happy to vote NO because of the QOL issues mentioned above that were traded for a COLA pay increase.
However, 49% of me believes that if we go back to the bargaining table, we will just give up the A plan for new hires for a increase in the cap (and a few more $ for a "Senior Wideboby Captain Approaching Retirement..." ). I am not confident that this or any other NC will deliver the QOL fixes I want.
What to do?????
49% of me is happy to vote NO because of the QOL issues mentioned above that were traded for a COLA pay increase.
However, 49% of me believes that if we go back to the bargaining table, we will just give up the A plan for new hires for a increase in the cap (and a few more $ for a "Senior Wideboby Captain Approaching Retirement..." ). I am not confident that this or any other NC will deliver the QOL fixes I want.
What to do?????
09-30-2015, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ColCargill
I hate this TA.
49% of me is happy to vote NO because of the QOL issues mentioned above that were traded for a COLA pay increase.
However, 49% of me believes that if we go back to the bargaining table, we will just give up the A plan for new hires for a increase in the cap (and a few more $ for a "Senior Wideboby Captain Approaching Retirement..." ). I am not confident that this or any other NC will deliver the QOL fixes I want.
What to do?????
49% of me is happy to vote NO because of the QOL issues mentioned above that were traded for a COLA pay increase.
However, 49% of me believes that if we go back to the bargaining table, we will just give up the A plan for new hires for a increase in the cap (and a few more $ for a "Senior Wideboby Captain Approaching Retirement..." ). I am not confident that this or any other NC will deliver the QOL fixes I want.
What to do?????
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