Another Yes vote ---begrudgingly
#12
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I've gone from No Way, to probably not, to I don't know...mainly because I originally equated it to kicking a field goal or going for it on 4th down...now I'm thinking if we vote no, we are planning on punting, letting the other team score, then winning it with a razzle dazzle kickoff return with no time on the clock...
#13
Reluctant but realistic - Yes
I was furious when I read the TA after I spoke to a block rep that described it as "Fedex brought real money to the table....except for improving the A plan."
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My estimation of a break-even point EVEN IF WE GET WHAT WE WANT, AND unknowns break in our favor....will be somewhat North of 10 years. I have 15 years left on property. My crystal ball gets fuzzy beyond about 8.
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Jakal
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My estimation of a break-even point EVEN IF WE GET WHAT WE WANT, AND unknowns break in our favor....will be somewhat North of 10 years. I have 15 years left on property. My crystal ball gets fuzzy beyond about 8.
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Jakal
For those of you who will no doubt chastise me for FYIGM, how is that any different from your rational that we should vote this down so that you will be better off 8 - 10 years in the future, so screw me? I expect EVERYONE to vote for their own best interest. I don't expect you to vote for my best interest and you shouldn't expect me (or anyone else) to vote for yours in contradiction to their own.
Flame on.
Respectfully
#15
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I have to agree with you.
For those of you who will no doubt chastise me for FYIGM, how is that any different from your rational that we should vote this down so that you will be better off 8 - 10 years in the future, so screw me? I expect EVERYONE to vote for their own best interest. I don't expect you to vote for my best interest and you shouldn't expect me (or anyone else) to vote for yours in contradiction to their own.
For those of you who will no doubt chastise me for FYIGM, how is that any different from your rational that we should vote this down so that you will be better off 8 - 10 years in the future, so screw me? I expect EVERYONE to vote for their own best interest. I don't expect you to vote for my best interest and you shouldn't expect me (or anyone else) to vote for yours in contradiction to their own.
#16
My 2 cents on the question
I think you should vote for the good of the group, rather than for yourself. I have always voted that way and will continue to do so.
I guess it 's kind of a Mr. Spock thing but I consider myself a "unionist".
Cheers,
fbh
I guess it 's kind of a Mr. Spock thing but I consider myself a "unionist".
Cheers,
fbh
#17
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If we were voting for the good of the group we wouldn't have Seniority based pay rates. From each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs and all that. Was that quote Spock or Elizabeth Warren?
#18
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It's not like you're entering a highly radioactive chamber to fix the ship's drive so everyone else can escape danger. It's a subjective opinion, based upon what you feel is important, and what you feel is possible.
#19
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When I pay more money for a product, like the company I expect more for the increased price I am paying. Those give-backs don't seem unreasonable.
Sometime in the next 10 years, the company will need something from us. What we do with it then will be biased by a higher baseline if we accept the TA.
Jakal
Sometime in the next 10 years, the company will need something from us. What we do with it then will be biased by a higher baseline if we accept the TA.
Jakal
Point Two - When they come to us next, they will remember that our resolve was weak and they will bring less to the table.
Your thought process would lead many to another conclusion.
Pipe
#20
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Yes, that is sad. It's also sad that I have 25 years to live with the legacy of your yes vote and to use 10% and 6 years as my new baseline from which to bargain.
Why don't you go ahead and drain your used motor oil into the lake when you get a minute.
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Why don't you go ahead and drain your used motor oil into the lake when you get a minute.
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