TA = Backdoor PBS? You Decide…
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,820
Currently, the company can revise your single city layover to a different city (i.e. FLL revised to CPR) and not pay you anything extra. They also don't have to put you in sub or offer RAT. So 3 extra credit hours is another win.
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
No, I mean the opposite. Instead of expanding one's vacation usage, you can also reduce the vacation days to use zero days. Resulting in using far less vacation, and far more selling it back.
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Beats me, I doubt it would work for Christmas. But it is likely to work for a daughter's wedding. I am sure that the company will keep some hammers to beat up on junior schedules. But we asked for more flexibility, more transparency, and more control. I think we got it.
#24
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
Vacation buy back is still limited to 40% unless approved by flight management for extenuating circumstances. Not sure how there could be more selling back. The only time one is forced to use vacation is when you bid a vto or reserve right now.
#25
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
I agree that there is the possibility for more flexibility, I could also see every vto line in december work over christmas with trips or rdays, no matter how senior you are(unless you have an entire month of vacation to play)
#26
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
In addition, it will certainly reduce the number of good trips available for lower numbered VTO holders, if the senior VTO holders reduce their vacation to zero days.
#27
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
I agree the limitation is still in there, however I think a lot of people do not sell back much (if any) of their vacation. If you are a VTO holder all year, you use 100% of your vacation, with zero sellback.
In addition, it will certainly reduce the number of good trips available for lower numbered VTO holders, if the senior VTO holders reduce their vacation to zero days.
In addition, it will certainly reduce the number of good trips available for lower numbered VTO holders, if the senior VTO holders reduce their vacation to zero days.
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
While I wish your sellback observation was true, I don't think it is. I due think that it is a very small number of the crew force that bids vto all year on purpose and still wants to sell back vacation. I do see your concern but I guess I don't see the numbers changing much. Those that want to sell back vacation tend to find a way.
And I have to admit, I'm always happy when VTO holders above me have vacation, as it knocks them out for some of the good trips I'm hoping for, and wouldn't have a shot at otherwise. After this TA, who knows?
#29
Even if it does, there's no guarantee you'll get the vacation you want. §25.E.6.b. "The Company shall:
ii. "Comply with each request given staffing in each crew position, which shall be processed in seniority order within the request type ..."
What makes you think you can elude the almighty, "DENIED - INSUFFICIENT RESERVES"? Good luck with that..