What site would that be Walrus. I'm in the market. Although of all the posters here, you are one of my favorites. You have mastered the art of brevity. I suck at that.

I must admit, every time I see the Walrus post, I know I'm probably going to laugh.

Where do you get all that? This is why some have a problem with you. Someone counters your logic and you go all out on them.

I'm not upset, I don't plan on quiting ALPA, And even if I wanted to, which I don't, I can not withhold dues!

If this TA passes, I will collect my signing bonus, take my pay raise and in six years take my 30K! SLB won't be a factor because I don't plan on working that hard my last couple of years, although, I think we will all be working harder than we wish!

If the TA fails, I will do whatever is asked of me by the MEC!

Life goes on with a yes vote and the world does not implode with a no vote!

Although, with a yes vote 8 in 24 is gone forever and our retirement will continue to erode!

goo goo g'joob.

Talk about a conspiracy theorist! Add stimulus, wait for response!

No conspiracy theorist.......after reviewing what I've seen go on this last week and reviewing Capt teeters publication the thought occurred. Do you have a thought about it or are you just throwing rocks at me? :confused:

Still laughing, not quite sure why... but I probably blend in with all the other crazies talking to themselves downtown!

It wouldn't be so embarrising, for the rest of us, if you would remember to take off your FedEx uniform before hanging out downtown :eek: :D

:)But that's all I have with me, except for another pair of black socks. Kind of chilly with just the socks on, you know!

We have another site?

Bingo!!!!!!!

You know Fock this place.

I responded to some other foreign poster that unity was supporting the MEC while they negotiate and then supporting them after we (the voters) decide on a course of action.

You butt in with a response that has absolutely nothing to do with my response to UPStarman and say "we decided on a course of action the openers". I guess you consider that countering my logic.

I point out hey we are beyond that. A TA trumps openers. If it gets voted in what are you going to do? And you take exception to it. You gave a snarky response to my post i replied in kind with about 10 % of the snark.

For the record, openers don't mean squat in section 6 negotiations. Particularly after a mediated TA is reached and is voted on by the MEC.

Yeah, let's not even have polls to determine openers in 2021. Better yet, let's not have any type of goals next time around. Let's just settle for whatever the company offers. Uhhh, like this time. :rolleyes:

Hey is that refuting my logic too? Let me know.

You don't like the process I don't like the process. That and 2.25 will get you a tall pikes place.

There you go again...

I have a lot more to say but I will leave it at that.

"BBB"
Blah, blah, blah.

A fitting new profile name for LAG. Devoid of substance and nonsensical, contrarian nonsense.

Passive Aggressive. Leave it if you like. For the life of me there was nothing in my post to starups that anyone can find objectionable but you did, and I am at fault.

That was my question. I have long held APC is most useful for entertainment. Sometimes it still is. But if there is another site where there might actually be useful discussion, I'd probably enjoy that a little more during this TA process.
I heard the MEC meeting today was mostly a one man filibuster by a no voter who finally had members in attendance asking him to shut up so people could actually ask questions about the TA. I had to laugh because it sounded just like an average day on APC.

Dude...reread what you just wrote and ruminate on it for a few seconds. Maybe you were trying to be ironically humorous. Except you don't seem to ever have a sense of humor.

Dude, I think it's spot on and hilarious. If you can't appreciate it, return to the Rock.

Well...you would.

He is on my ignore list but you quoted him. I think she/he is a stalker so I'm just ignoring her. She knows my name but hides his/hers, not worth worrying about.

Lag - send me a PM and we can chat.

It started here and all I did was make a comment about our course of action.

You responded with this.

And this.

I did not find anything in your post to starups "objectionable". I found your response to me objectionable! Now who is the passive aggressive one?

I recently discovered the ignore list. I only have one person on it. Probably saved me seconds of my life I'd never get back by reading their endlessly repetitive posts.

Ignore me?
Fine. Completely and unapologetically unconcerned.
I reached out to Lag via PM in an effort to find common ground and declare a truce of sorts. He can accept or ignore. The response tells me all I need to know about his character.

I'd be remiss if I didn't offer the same to Rock. We're all on the same team. We may disagree on our personal worth based on the TA, but we can be civil. However ... rest assured, sarcasm and punk comments won't resolve our differences. Lower the bar and I'll meet you there. That's your MO so I'll be right there with you.

Gentleman, lets chill out some. The no voters going ballistic just hurt the "no" cause. If some of the logic of the yes voters defy your understanding, so be it. Nobody is going to win this pi$$in contest. JMO.

The MEC did NOT vote unanimously to conclude negotiations. What are you talking about?






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You get what you deserve
 

That's because you are a coward.

Brilliant, convincing and vote altering retort.

"Our leverage will be our unity after the vote".....

Yeah. Right. Whichever way this vote goes, a person would have to be crazy to think we'll all just join hands and sing campfire songs after this vote. Some things said simply won't be forgotten. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our strongest, most unified negotiating environment was three months ago. Good luck building that same environment three months from now. Or a year from now. Or two years from now.

Simple question Max, which post countered my logic?

Your openers comment had absolutely nothing to do with the quoted post of mine it responded to. I was at a loss as to what you were trying to say and trying to understand what it had to do with unity.

Openers are wonderful things but they are not written in stone. That is why they call it negotiations.

I think you highlight a very important point. Guys like me do not derive their personal worth from the TA. Not even a little bit. I make financial decisions based on our contract. But my personal worth is not tied to my job. And the things I value most do not have a dollar sign attached.

+1.

C'mon, Rock. You know that all of us YES voters are spineless insane cowards, morons who roll over for the Man, and are happy to accept whatever crumbs the company throws our way. Idiots one and all.

And the calm, measured, dispassionate, respectful insight brought to the "discussion" by the NO side has absolutely NO connection to personal agendas or politics that predated this TA. It's all about the TA--nothing else.:rolleyes:

Taking cheap potshots at the person you hope will stand next to you in the next battle is a great way to get yourself fragged in the next battle.

Why is Albie15 so well regarded?

Well, it isn't because he stepped up to the plate and became a Block rep post FDA LOA, although that's part of it.

It's primarily because he's helped a bunch of pilots make the transition into the Majors. A lot of interview prep, and a lot of handholding for customers, and a lot of free advice on this forum as well.

He's well regarded for many reasons-this was just a few.

And any pilots decision to vote Yes is not indicative of their behavior. One of the most vehement NO guys I know is bouncing around the world on a draft trip right now. His big NO is that WB Capt pay should be well over 300$ because he shouldn't have to work as hard as he is to pull in the bucks. I shouldn't have to work a week of carry over to make $$$$

And I flew with an FO 18 months ago that was irked that he could only trade up 12 hours and go negative 6 hours each month. Haven't run into him in the AOC recently, but I'm sure his vote could swing either way

"The Union hasn't told me not to"-

A segment of the crewforce continues to absolutely astonish me

I just reread Albie's why I'm voting yes novel. Not once, in 100 pages or so, does he attempt to justify his vote by claiming he is smarter, better informed, braver, or has a stronger character than no voters. He doesn't accuse no voters of being idiots, greedy or any other of the more common epithets being thrown around. In fact, he's actually complimentary of the people he knows who are voting no. I don't know Albie. Never used his services. Never advised anyone to use his services. But if nothing else, he's a straight shooter who can explain the merits of his own position without building his case by tearing down the character of his opponents.

EXACTLY. I guarantee you that some of the undecided and yes voters aren't giving any credibility to the viewpoints of people who are personally attacking others, belittling others because of how they are voting.

Don't some of you get it? If there is anyone that could be convinced, YOU are working against that cause. So ironic to call others selfish, when you are indulging your ego, over everything else.

The guy who told me about yesterday's AOC meeting said as the filibuster continued, he watched a guy slowly slip off his orange vote no lanyard and swap it out with the old yellow one. It kind of sounds like a Wellstone funeral moment. It's never a good idea to assume the passion of your inner circle makes you immune to the consequences of obnoxious behavior.

Well, if a guy in the AOC changed his lanyard, I'm changing my vote. If anyone in their right mind is listening to the moronic stuff that goes on here and votes because of it, heaven help us. I hope people read the contract and vote how they feel. There are many reasons to vote yes and many to vote no. But I haven't seen a whole lot going on here than guys just crapping on each other. Guys who would probably be sharing beers on the road if they really knew who the other guy was. I work with some great guys and I can't believe those same people would be posting whats here. But maybe they aren't. Maybe this is just a small percentage of some really angry people. But the petty level of BS here is just sad. State your point and move on. You aren't going to convince anyone of your cause by name calling and he said this stuff. In fact, APC has probably done more to convince guys to vote YES than anything else.

As usual the big mouth in the back of the room complaining that the union and negotiating committee sold him out, mean while he is flying draft and volunteer and has a blue screen calendar. Many no voters say we have leverage , have they looked themselves in the mirror to see if they have helped our hurt our position?